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A Liverpool Fan On Why Scousers Hate The England Team

by Alex Woo
19 February 2015 18 Comments

Why should I feel a connection to a country that when it comes to football is arrogant, detestable and has no relevance to my life in Liverpool? And for that ridiculous band...

A Liverpool Fan On Why Scousers Hate The England Football Team…

I have very little interest in international football as a whole. I mean I’ll watch the big tournaments as we all do, and maybe if there’s an exciting match involving two big nations I might tune in to get my fix, but other than that, beyond checking out some highlights, I couldn’t care less; it’s an inconvenience to club football that I could do without. In fact, if the whole concept was scrapped I’d be delighted. As for the England national team, I feel absolutely no connection towards them; I never say ‘we’ when talking about them, and I’ll only ever watch them as a last resort if there’s nothing else on, or if I’m already down the pub and the game is on.

There has been a distance between Scousers and England that has gone back years. I wasn’t alive in the mid 80’s when Thatcher’s continually sh*t all over the city, but it’s impossible to ignore the ill feeling towards her and the Tories – and it’s definitely one of the primary reasons why many fans don’t support England. It’s not one of the reasons I usually give – although the wounds from her reign are still apparent throughout certain parts of the city – but I don’t feel English (I honestly don’t know the words to ‘God Save Our Queen’) – although I was pleased for Team GB and their brilliant efforts at both the Olympics and Paralympics.

Maybe I’d be more receptive to the idea if, as a footballing nation, England weren’t so arrogant and detestable

Liverpool was, and still to a certain degree is, treated like a second class city. I love going down to London, and do it every month or two, but even now, announcing to someone I’ve just met that I’m from Liverpool is often met with derision and a protest of “don’t rob my phone, HAHAHA” or an original shout of “calm down, calm down!” It’s nothing particularly insulting, but it highlights the mindset and stereotypes that many people still have towards us. Still to this day the divide between the city and the country remains, and never is it more so than with the football teams of the country’s third largest city.

There used to be a great banner that would regularly take its place at the front of the Kop a few seasons ago. It perfectly summed up mine – and many others – views towards the country, but in a very self-depreciating fashion: we’re not English we are Scouse. It is a phrase said mostly in jest because we often feel ostracised from the rest of the country because of the mentality outsiders - and especially southerners - have towards us. Football does at times become too partisan, but I can’t even bring myself to wish our players well when they play for their country; I just want them to return to club duty uninjured and get knocked out of tournaments at the earliest opportunity so they don’t tire themselves out.

I have always find patriotism to be a strange concept, although I accept that my reasoning for it may sound hypocritical given my devotion to the club who just happen to play in the city I grew up in. Automatically supporting the country that you were born and raised in – without having any control over until you’re an adult – is baffling to me, especially when there are so many social and cultural differences between Liverpool and the rest of the country. Why should you feel some connection towards it? It wasn’t your choice to live here, so supporting them by default makes no sense. Not to me, anyway. But maybe I’d be more receptive to the idea if, as a footballing nation, England weren’t so arrogant and detestable.

It’s the b**lends who sing “always the victims, it’s never your fault” and then protest their innocence when it’s suggested that there are vile undertones in the chant

My feelings towards the national team range from ambivalence to hatred depending on the circumstances, for so many, many reasons:

It’s the absolute shambles of a Football Association. The spineless, incompetent, corrupt hypocrites who are more concerned about milking every penny out of the new Wembley and bleating on about respect, than accepting responsibility for the failings in the modern game when they have to power to make the necessary changes.

It’s whole stance on football and the way it should be played. Knock it long, stick it up ‘em, bla bla blaaa. The applauding of work rate in an attempt to mask a player’s technical deficiencies (see James Milner).

It’s the media circus, and their hypocritical stance on all things English. Their adulation of Woy ’30-odd years of international experience’ Hodgson when he’s done f**k all in the game compared to many talented managers who have never been given a fair crack of the whip by Fleet Street’s finest, perhaps because they’re not as willing to give a revealing interview at their behest.

It’s the b**lends who sing “always the victims, it’s never your fault” and then protest their innocence when it’s suggested that there are vile undertones in the chant. “No, it’s just about the whole Suarez thing,” apparently. Then why do you sing always the victim? What are these other times when we claim to be the victim? United sang it before the Suarez saga, and they f**king know they did, but instead of having the stones to admit that it’s indirectly mocking Hillsborough they try and protest their innocence. C**ts.

Yeah, because mocking the struggles of finding meaningful employment after the city constantly gets s*** on by the Tories is boss banter, you f**cking neanderthals

It’s the fans who travel to Anfield and, without fail, belt out their repertoire of outdated, tedious songs that mock Scousers and the city. “Sign on, sign on, with a pen, in your hand, and you’ll never get a job, you’ll never get a job,” they sing. Yeah, because mocking the struggles of finding meaningful employment after the city constantly gets s*** on by the Tories is boss banter, you f**cking neanderthals.

It’s the horrible players. The likes of Ashley Cole, Rio Ferdinand, John Terry and Wayne Rooney are all loathsome individuals. That they play or have played for rival teams is bad enough, but they are massive tw**s and the thought of having the give them my support makes me throw up a bit in my mouth.

It’s the ridiculous level of expectation heading in to every tournament that England should be getting to the latter stages with ease, despite constantly falling in the early stages.

It’s the desperate need of the media and fans to always find a scapegoat instead of accepting that despite boasting arguably the strongest domestic league in world football, they’re not one of the elite international sides.

It’s that band. That stupid f**king band. Playing The Great Escape tune over and over and over and over and over and over again.

It’s the fans who normally follow lower league teams who boo top-flight professionals because they’re not backing up their reputation and paycheck with the type of performances they put in for the clubs.

It’s everything about this nation when it comes to football. Rule f**king Britannia.

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Pete 3:15 pm, 12-Oct-2012

Once again we have a Liverpudlian under the illusion that they are different from the rest of the country. I know loads of people who feel no affiliation with the England football team and they’re by no means all Scouse. In case you haven't noticed, more or less every town in England is different and have different accents etc. and we all rip each other for our various traits. I’m a season ticket holder on the Kop and have great friends from all over Merseyside. I can assure you that they are no different from my friends from in and around Manchester. I can also assure you that you’re not the only group of people that get the p*ss taken out of them. I do not believe there is a divide between Liverpool and the rest of the country. If there is, it’s no more than the divide between Sunderland and Essex etc.

Keith 5:14 pm, 12-Oct-2012

Couldn't agree more NUFC England barely register for me and many other Geordies. And as for God save the queen its an outdated anthem that celebrates many of the things this country should be ashamed of.

Skin Ed 5:58 pm, 12-Oct-2012

Yet again, another Mickey Mouser expecting/demanding special treatment. I couldn't give a flying monkey's about the English national team, and I'm a Londoner born & bred. If you ask me, the only reason Gerrard, Carragher, Fowler et al all failed in an England shirt was because they were scared that the Social would find out they were there.

James 6:51 pm, 12-Oct-2012

The point is that the city feels like this, not the individual. You may not care about England, but the majority of London do. Its unquestionable that the southern players have a lot more pride in the shirt than us from up north. And yes Liverpool aren't special or alone in this, but for some reason we're the ones who it's associated with. Every right to explain ourselves.

Frontwheel 2 7:07 pm, 12-Oct-2012

Didn't even read it as I knew what a load of shit it would be,just read the comments,yep

Eurovision Dave 12:12 am, 13-Oct-2012

Oh I so wish Merseyside would just declare independence.

Skin Ed 10:16 am, 13-Oct-2012

James, that's as maybe, but there's still this underlying belief that Mickey Mousers are somehow better than anyone else. I can't recall ever seeing equivalent banners extolling the virtues of, say, being a Yorkshireman or Geordie and not English at either Elland Road or St James's Park.

BigRed1 10:14 pm, 13-Oct-2012

Skin Ed (WTF!?) - have you never heard of Yorkshire Day? I'm a full on Scouser who happens to have wound up in Yorkshire and there aint nobody better than a Tyke thee knows 'appen. If you read the article - I take it you can read? - there is nowhere where the author claims to be better than anyone else; just different. London is different (and you know where you can shove it), Sheffield, Newcastle - damn it even Manchestah is different. If you are thick enough to believe that the author believes that Scousers are better than others you have completely missed the point of the article. The author delivers many reasons why Scousers couldn't give a rats about Engerland or Wemberly... The two have fuck all to do with us as a team or city, the FA are only interested in themselves... Yet somehow that passes you by. By some of the comments posted so far I see that its the same for many other Northerners - there's even a Cockerknee chap who dslikes the whole sham... Read the article, think hard about what it means before posting drivel. By the way; nice one Alex.

jb 6:32 pm, 14-Oct-2012

This is just awkward, if everybody just admits scousers are better than everybody else then we can wheel the elephant out of the room.

StoopyDeGunt 10:13 pm, 14-Oct-2012

You're right about that stupid band. And the massive, unjustified expectation. You could also have mentioned the stupid mexican waves. I find the England games painful to watch. Having said all that - I can't agree that scousers come in for worse treatment than, say, Geordies or Yorkshiremen or the Cornish.

lewie 9:04 pm, 6-Feb-2013

Why can't the english just accept that scousers are better dan dem.

Dan 3:29 am, 23-Apr-2013

This guy is over the top, while he is right about "always the vitim, its never your fault" not being about Suarez, he is also wrong about it being about Hillsbourough. If you want to look at the offensive side of the chant it has more to do with Heysel, Liverpool not accepting responsibility and trying to blame Chelsea fans and the National Front.

Kman 3:01 am, 31-Dec-2013

We all have our problems, differences and issues in life, but for some reason life is a whole lot tougher on Merseyside. Bunch of whingers is all I can say.

K2 8:32 am, 10-Nov-2014

How many of these southerners posting have actually been further north than the Watford Gap? As a "Southern Scouser" (family from L'pool, born in S'ton) & die-hard L'pool fan from the moment I can remember supporting anyone, I would have to say not many. Things ARE a lot tougher in the north than they are in the south, why else would my family move here? Scousers are not better or worse than anyone (with the possible exception of Mancs - JOKE) but as a general rule they are treated worse than most. The constant references to signing on makes me laugh as London has a higher number of claimants per population than L'pool & Leeds put together. As for "please don't steal my phone", I say to Lahndahners "please don't stab me". YNWA

Ali Bongo 3:08 am, 23-Dec-2014

I think you have hit the nail on the head Alex, especially after reading all the comments from Mancs and southern scum !

Stan Dalglish 8:44 am, 20-Feb-2015

Fuck it. It's only England.

jay 9:41 am, 20-Feb-2015

See jordan Ibe last night Stan? That kid is just unbelievable. I can't stand people being labelled with 'the new' tag but he's a little john Barnes all day.

Fjc 6:56 pm, 21-Feb-2015

Completely agree with everything in this article. And don't forget the right wing xenophobic Engerland fans. Bunch of chinless wonders - like most of the commenters on here.

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