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It's Time Catholics Were Held Accountable For The Sins Of Their Leaders

by Harry Paterson
15 March 2013 140 Comments

The new Pope has inevitably turned the spotlight back on the Catholic Church, but isn't about time the whole sordid shebang was toppled?

There can surely be few institutions that compare to the Catholic Church in terms of sheer superstitious backwardness. That it is bigoted, reactionary and medieval is beyond doubt. From it’s inception it has orchestrated and or played a decisive role in the systematic torture and murder of women, the slaughtering of entire swathes of those with an alternative view, amassed in the most corrupt fashion staggering and obscene wealth while pontificating (excuse the semi-pun) to the most poverty-stricken and deprived in the most hypocritical manner imaginable.

Its oppression and discrimination of women and the sickening emotional blackmail it uses to guilt-trip them into becoming little more than Christian baby farms, is positively barbaric. Its much-vaunted championing of the ‘unborn child’ and its ‘pro-life’ stance extends, clearly, only to the point the child emerges from the womb. Thereafter it can starve while the Vatican’s privileged elite live in the kind of opulence its congregations the world over can only imagine.

Now, of course, there is a new man in charge. Already his intolerant bigotry on the question of homosexuals has been raised and, no doubt, there will be further choice quotes from the man, in the weeks ahead, as journalists contrast his previous utterances with the desperate attempts of the Vatican machine to paint their new boss as a paragon of progressive and social values. We might also dwell on his alleged support for the murderous Argentinean junta which, at a conservative estimate, was responsible for the murders of some 30,000 human beings.

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However, there’s a question that no one appears to be asking. How far beyond the pale does an organisation have to go before we hold accountable its wider membership? Many ordinary Catholics, the vast majority, one would certainly hope, in no way condone their Church’s outrageous involvement in the mass child abuse of which we are all now painfully aware. But, equally, given the scale, scope and numbers involved, no one could claim, with any credibility, that the wider flock are merely dealing with a few bad papal apples.

So how do people who are part of an organisation get to absolve themselves from the things their organisation does? At what point is it reasonable to start pointing the finger at the lay membership and demanding they accept a share of the responsibility for the sins and crimes of their Church? In the case of political parties, it’s deemed perfectly reasonable for members of those parties, from top to bottom, to be held responsible for its actions.  Why not in the case of religions?

The incontrovertible truth is that any organisation can only survive and prosper with the consenting, active support of its membership. Surely there be can nothing contentious in pointing out that if the Catholic Church’s billion-strong faithful continue to do nothing then they are as morally culpable as the priests carrying out the abuse?

If everyone with even a shred of basic human decency turned their backs on this loathsome and repugnant coven, it would collapse. We’d see no more institutionalised homophobia, misogyny, racism, bigotry and sexual abuse from these degenerate hypocrites because there simply wouldn’t be the apparatus to sustain them.

It’s long overdue that ordinary Catholics, many of whom are actually victims themselves, stopped making excuses for their deviant and manipulative coreligionists and stood up and were counted. If they do not then the world is entitled to judge them as culpable in the ruination of children’s lives as it does those carrying out the abuse themselves.

As far as the new Pope is concerned, plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose. 

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Josh 3:43 pm, 15-Mar-2013

It always comes down to power. People who crave it will do whatever they can to achieve it. And when it comes down to something as shapeless and nebulous as human spirituality, it's all too easy to slap a load of rules and stories to it, give it a physical location, offer salvation and exploit people's fear of death. Voila, you have created a religion and can now exploit anyone who's not in on the deception.

Neil 4:33 pm, 15-Mar-2013

Ridiculous post. Shall we hold accountable the listeners of radio one as Jimmy Saville and DLT were DJ'S. How about holding OK magazine readers accountable as Max Clifford supplied endless stories, how about everyone who bought a lost prophet record be held accountable as Ian Watkins is a supposed child rapist. A cheap article on the back of a new popes arrival.

Harry 5:00 pm, 15-Mar-2013

Utterly ridiculous, Neil. Neither the viewers of the BBC nor fans of Lostprophets have engaged in systematic, institutionalised child-rape across the globe involving dozens, possibly hundreds, of their officials actively covering up the crimes and aiding the perpetrators to escape justice and continue abusing children.

vince 7:15 pm, 15-Mar-2013

There's nothing like a bit of catholic bashing. I get the feeling that if you described any other faith/religious minority in these terms you would be prosecuted. This is an offensive piece of hate speech.

James 7:21 pm, 15-Mar-2013

Harry, though well written, the content here is absolute garbage.

Harry Paterson 9:44 pm, 15-Mar-2013

Is it bollocks, Vince. What your comments shows, though, is that the rape of children and the abuse of power and responsibility on a global scale is as nothing compared to the opportunity for the I'm-not-racist-but brigade to have a sly dig at Islam and indulge in a bit of white-man self-pity. At least have the guts to be honest and come right out say what you mean.

Harry Paterson 10:25 pm, 15-Mar-2013

In what sense, James?

DTB 11:25 pm, 15-Mar-2013

Harry Paterson, you can't deny that if such an article was written about Islam and the fact they have a prophet who is a pedophile, you'd be in trouble.. Or at least called racist or islamaphobe.

anon 2:30 am, 16-Mar-2013

I can honestly say homosexuality is pretty low on my agenda, i imagine it is for Pope Francis too; being a Jesuit i imagine he will be more on the whole gluttony of the church. The good thing about the Catholic church in Latin America is that these days it is very much the champion of the poor. A far more worthy cause than that of gay rights. As for the child abuse stuff- that's an institutional failure akin to the BBC and a certain Mr Savile, rather than a conspiracy to rape the world's children.

Jane 10:31 pm, 16-Mar-2013

What a load of tripe, don't give up the day job Harry.

Davey Burke 10:37 pm, 16-Mar-2013

I'm a Catholic, thought your bigoted views were long gone. Let me practice my faith, penal times are long gone, or are you hankering pre 1829.

Harry Paterson 11:52 pm, 16-Mar-2013

'bigoted' Davey? From a Catholic? Incredible irony...Or hypocrisy.

Harry Paterson 11:57 pm, 16-Mar-2013

It's regrettable ordinary Catholics, of which I assume you are one, Davey, seem so irked by a plain recounting of historical facts and current truths regarding your abhorrent coven instead of doing something about it...

Kate 12:55 am, 17-Mar-2013

The main Catholic gospel message is to love your neighbour as yourself, I try to live by this but it is totally radical and very hard to do. This is my religion, please don't knock it Harry. Where do you get your 'moral compass' from in today's moral vacuum? Don't let your own bigotry blind you.

Lisa 1:10 am, 17-Mar-2013

"Therefore it can starve"...never heard of Cafod or Trocaire. "Alleged support" for the Junta, you do know what alleged means do you ? Innocent until proven guilty, or are you judge, jury and executioner.. Pope Francis knows more about social values than you ever will, listen to what he has to say about them. "Mass child abuse".. pleas define "Mass".. Although it as undoubtedly happened and as a Catholic this sickens me to th very core

Lisa 1:21 am, 17-Mar-2013

Can you be any more insulting? But that seems to be your style Harry, just read your piece about th Beatles being rubbish. Tell me a band you like! Obviously a very angry young man...grow up Harry.

James 1:41 am, 17-Mar-2013

Nasty article, huge sweeping statements. Bigoted...don't think so, systematic torture and murder of women....Are you serious. you are full of bitter and vindictive biie.."it's so easy to laugh, so easy to hate, it takes guts to be gentle and kind".gospel message Harry..love, forgiveness, cast no stones.... Open your ears to the true message...this is my Catholic faith

Anne 10:01 am, 17-Mar-2013

Absolute garbage

Ed 10:47 am, 17-Mar-2013

Is there no editorial control on Sabotage Times ? Or can anyone publish whatever nonsense they want? A very poor article.

Harry Paterson 11:04 am, 17-Mar-2013

Come on, James; get real! What on earth would you say the inquisition was if not the "systematic torture and murder of women"??? The question of child abuse and your officials colluding with these monsters to break the law and evade justice is beyond doubt and so I simply recount the known *facts* and you and your ilk lash out and object? Shame, shame, shame on you and yours. Christians? My arse. Where's the humility? The sorrow for lives ruined and wrecked by *your* church? You people are barely even Christian in any meaningful sense of the word. You disgust me.

Harry Paterson 11:05 am, 17-Mar-2013

'poor' how, Ed? By stating proven, documented *facts*? Show me how where and why.

Lorraine 12:45 pm, 17-Mar-2013

Temper, temper Harry. Your language is becoming rather intemperate. Just read your article about "loathing" the Beatles, and can see your journalistic modus operandi....rather one dimensional Harry...confrontational you Harry ? Hope you haven't got all your eggs in the 'journalistic basket', cod sixth form journalism at it very worst

Scott 1:01 pm, 17-Mar-2013

Harry....can't wait for your views on Other religions.I'm an atheist, but what's it with you in the 'right on' brigade and Catholic bashing. Everyone Sholud be able to practice a faith. I such much more good than bad in Christianity, can't you Harry?. Have to agree with all the other negative feedback.. Poor article

Scott 1:59 pm, 17-Mar-2013

Actually, just read your Beatles article also. Dear me, could have knocked out both articles on the back of a fag packet Absolute tripe, aggressive for aggressive sake, no balance, no perspective, no objectivity, just allowing you own bigotry and myopia to drive your jaundiced opinions. Could do with reading a few more history, social justice, third world action books etc...

Harry Paterson 2:21 pm, 17-Mar-2013

Scott, you're falling into the same trap as all the other objectors here. No noe has yet made any attempt to disprove the claims I've made. They can't as they're true and all the oppositionists' comments amount to slagging off the article (or me, lol!) without even attempting to show how or why a well-researched fact-based opinion piece is so bad. One might expect little better from the superstitious and anti-scientific but from a self-confessed atheist I might have expected to see some reasoning and logic in your attempts to show why the article is so 'poor.' Try again.

Harry Paterson 2:24 pm, 17-Mar-2013

I'm beginning to feel as though I've fallen through the looking glass. How an article highlighting the rape and abuse of children on an institutionalized scale by a sinister gay-hating, women-hating cult can attract such vitriol for the writer and not for those guilty of the crimes listed above and their supporters and apologists is, frankly, staggering. Some very skewed moral compasses careering merrily around on this thread,m that's for sure.

Jane 2:55 pm, 17-Mar-2013

There is no "vitriol" in any of the comments I can see. But here in lies your problem. Over the top language, a sense of the over dramatic, this all takes away from any point you are trying to make. This combined with you own obvious anti Catholc prejudices make your article and subsequent posts embarrassing and amateurish. All Catholics are painfully aware of the sins committed in what you pertain to be in our name, but please do not fain indignation if we defend our deeply held beliefs of love, forgiveness, compassion etc. Afte all,this is what your article wanted to provoke

Harry Paterson 3:00 pm, 17-Mar-2013

I'm actually outraged there isn't outright condemnation of this feudal club and its crimes against humanity and before you accuse me of 'over-the-top-language' I can't think how else to describe the approx 600,000 women tortured and murdered in Europe during the Inquisition and the global reach of the Church's institutionalized child-rape.

Harry Paterson 3:08 pm, 17-Mar-2013

'anti-catholic prejudice' Jane? Mainly because I'm not a homophobe, a woman-hater, an anti-semite, an apologist for juntas, Nazis and assorted other right-wing dictatorships. I'm neither a frock-wearing hypocrite that props up a medieval coven of child-raping perverts nor a spineless gullible fool who feels my own particular brand of superstitious beliefs entitles to me to dismiss all of the above because of my slavish and unthinking adherence to the 'One True Faith.' Mainly that, Jane.

Harry Paterson 3:44 pm, 17-Mar-2013

I wonder if any of the faithful can explain why not one single Catholic child rapist anywhere in the world has been excommunicated by your church?

Danny 6:04 pm, 17-Mar-2013

300,000 there today Harry...all deluded according to you. Bet there is as much steam coming out of you as my boiling spuds.. Can only picture it

Danny 10:19 pm, 17-Mar-2013

Seeing as how you're one of these opionated know it all sorts...any thoughts on Arcbishop Oscar Romero, assassinated whilst saying Mass by right wing thugs. San Salvador Cathedral That's my kind of priest, any many other Catholics too. There is nothing quite as intolerant as a right on liberal

Harry Paterson 10:41 pm, 17-Mar-2013

Oh, Danny, Danny, Danny. What is about facts, about the truth that irks you people so much? Well done Archbishop Romero. Seriously. But isn't that what the Church should be doing anywhere? Being an advocate for the poor and oppressed? The tragedy is that Romero is so unusual. He stands as a heroic and principled contrast to the self-serving, venal, hypocritical that typifies the Church.

Harry Paterson 10:43 pm, 17-Mar-2013

Oh, Danny, Danny, Danny. What is it about facts, about the truth that irks you people so much? Well done Archbishop Romero. Seriously. But isn't that what the Church should be doing anyway? Being an advocate for the poor and oppressed? The tragedy is that Romero is so unusual. He stands as a heroic and principled contrast to the self-serving, venal, hypocritical place-man that typifies the Church.

Harry Paterson 10:44 pm, 17-Mar-2013

Its leaders, not least the out-going Pope, a former member of the Hitler Youth, have systematically colluded with paedophiles, those guilty of the institutionalised mass-rape and buggery of children all over the world, in running a sophisticated cover-up operation. Ratzinger has defied the authorities and aided his pervert-priests not only to evade justice but to set up shop in pastures new so the whole rotten cycle may continue, untroubled and untouched by such distasteful concepts like law, decency and humanity. His resignation, and self-imposed exile inside Vatican City, is widely seen as nothing more than an opportunist ploy to avoid extradition and questioning in connection with the disgusting litany of crimes in which is he is implicated. Certainly, Richard Dawkins’ infamous description of Ratzinger as ”…a leering old villain in a frock” seems not unreasonable.

Harry Paterson 10:47 pm, 17-Mar-2013

As for your new man, here he is on gay equality: "Let’s not be naïve, we’re not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.” And on women... " “Women are naturally unfit for public office. Both the natural order and the facts show us that the political being par excellence is male; the Scripture shows us that woman has always been the helper of man, who thinks and does, but nothing more.”

Neil 3:29 pm, 18-Mar-2013

I'm sure Harry you thought your piece would garner a measure of support. I mean Catholic bashing in the UK is a favoured pastime. Yes there are crimes committed by many people in all walks of life, from all forms of religion. However your 'article' is typical of your previous post. In an attempt to be provactive you come across as a wind up merchant.

Harry Paterson 5:00 pm, 18-Mar-2013

Neil, I think 'Catholic bashing' is a convenient term you deploy in pursuit of avoiding any of the substantive points I've made. Some of the crimes of the Church have been condemned but this means I'm 'Catholic bashing'? Extraordinary. Yet again I'm genuinely stunned so many are prepared to defend this corrupt and backward collective.

Julie 8:01 pm, 18-Mar-2013

What irritates me is that we are aware and deeply ashamed of all the terrible crimes committed in 'our name' as Catholics. However to say we are culpable is absolute nonsense...are you really saying that I am complicit to abuse.? as other posts have mentioned you ar a one dimensional wind up merchant.

Suzie sue 8:17 pm, 18-Mar-2013

In total agreement with all comments made.....other than the author's. I'm agnostic, but the Catholics I know are the very best people, your aspersions of culpability are slanderous, an absolute disgraceful article

Brian 8:38 pm, 18-Mar-2013

The reason you are so "genuinely stunned" is that you are so genuinely arrogant. Harry, a little fact of life, some people may hold a view contrary to your own. If you are going to write such tosh, don't be surprised if people take umbrage...come on Harry, wise up man!

Harry Paterson 9:48 pm, 18-Mar-2013

Well, Suzie and Julie, let's take, as an example, a football club of which I'm a member. Let's say the manager is buggering kids and one or two others strongly suspect, if not know, what he's up to. They keep quiet and on it goes. Later it breaks and we find out that many other clubs had managers were doing the same things and not only that but these perverts were known by the governing body, we'll call 'em the FA, who moved 'em from club to club and protected them from the law and allowed them to continue doing these things to other kids. Anything to prevent the 'good name 'ahem, of the association from being tarnished. In short, it became apparent that so many managers were at it, and so many ranking officials knew about it, right to the top of the chain, that it was 'institutionalized.' With all that knowledge, if any member continues giving money, assisting, in the club's activities and worse, actually having the brass kneck to get all prissy when fingers are pointed then yes; they are culpable. such an ognaiosation could only carry on doing what it does with the moral cowardice necessary for its members to make excuses and attack detractors. Such people are clearly part of the problem, not the solution. Instead of attacking me simply because I've held a mirror up to you, you should resign in disgust and turn your backs on this vile coven. As for Brian, it aint arrogance, mate, it's incredulity. If one of these monsters lived on your street and were teaching your kids, you'd be out brandishing pitch forks but because it's your priests we're talking about, you attack me instead of them and the corruption at the heart of your loathsome cult that allows it to happen? Disgusting. Moral cowardice and yes, culpable.

Commentator 10:26 pm, 18-Mar-2013

I have no religious affiliiations but find the author's childish arguments almost as incredulous as his moronic responses.

Harry Paterson 12:10 am, 19-Mar-2013

More ad hominem and yet more utter absence of actually addressing any point and showing why you feel this way.

Phillip 10:43 am, 19-Mar-2013

So Harry, I an ordinary Catholic am as culpable as a child abuser ? Better go and hand myself in then,...and my wife, children, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, nephews, nieces, old Mrs. Murphy up the road etc. There's going to be 1 million people in Rome today, shall I call the Carabinieri, or leave it to you ? Problem is Harry, everyone knows that there is validity in your piece, but then the red mist of bigotry kicks in and two plus two becomes five. I'd stick to reviewing heavy metal if I were you...so which was your favourite Tygers of Pan Tang line up..?

Michael Brent 10:46 am, 19-Mar-2013

You're wasting your time replying to these people Harry . Spot on as usual with the article . They managed to find a new freak who wasn't actually a nazi in his dark and sordid past but who was still cosy enough with fascists to give the institution that continuity it's so revered for . See you in hell , I'll bring my records ..

Maggie 1:57 pm, 19-Mar-2013

Can't believe this article. Harry are you saying all Catholics are as guilty of child abuse as the abusers themselves. Yes or no..?

Harry Paterson 4:13 pm, 19-Mar-2013

Maggie, haven't you read the article? It's not exactly ambiguous... but I'll play nice "are you saying all Catholics are as guilty of child abuse as the abusers themselves. Yes or no..?" NO. Culpable, though? YES. Absolutely. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men [and women] to do nothing" Or, in the case of Catholics, if the ones on this thread are typical, shriek, protest and shoot the messenger but don't ever, ever take any responsibility or show any genuine contrition for the evils THEIR organisation has committed...

Harry Paterson 4:14 pm, 19-Mar-2013

See ya there, Michael. I understand they have pool tables, too. At least according to Lemmy.

Neil 4:37 pm, 19-Mar-2013

And there you have it....Harry Paterson, Free lance writer, because no serious publication would have him on the books. Your views are dangerous but you think your funny. Keep dishing up this tripe and you will forever be consigned to defending yourself unsuccessfully on sabotage times!! Put the headphones back on turn up the volume and drown the real world out....

Maggie 4:42 pm, 19-Mar-2013

OK, Harry, in your article you state, catholics ..."are as culpable in the ruination of children's lives as it does those carrying out the abuse themselves" My defintion of culpable is 'to blame'...you saying I am as much to blame for abuse as an abuser themself ? Yes or no...?

Neil 5:02 pm, 19-Mar-2013

Maggie. leave him there. He's clearly bitten off more than he can chew and is digging himself an ever deepening hole. All religions have a history that involves the murder, rape torture of individuals and countries. Harry has an agenda and his bedroom journalism as been given the opportunity to be published on here. His aggression is evident in every post and comment. 99.9% of all catholic's abhor what crimes are done in the name of our church, but these crimes are evident in all walks of life not just catholicism. Anyone who commits any crime should be judged in a court of law, but I feel Harry is more of a string them from a lamppost type of guy.

Harry Paterson 5:22 pm, 19-Mar-2013

Your personal insults, ad hominem attacks and childish jibes are increasingly carrying an air of desperation. My agenda is simply that we do not tolerate insane cults based on superstitious nonsense from carrying out hideous crimes. Nor that we should excuse such behaviour, or attmept to deflect for it, by attacking those who dare criticise it.

Harry Paterson 5:26 pm, 19-Mar-2013

"Anyone who commits any crime should be judged in a court of law" Could not agree more, Neil. what a shame your Church officials have a quite different view! They, of course, prefer to move them around the world, to evade appearing in those very courts you apparently deem fit for ordinary, non-Catholic criminals. Then again, the latest insane gibberings from your man in south Africa has it that child abusers are ill and not criminals so maybe there's the justification the Church feels it needs to break the law, aid child-rapists to evade justice and them conspire in the cover-up. Your scathing personal attacks cannot hide your hypocrisy, lack of shame, double-standards and rank hypocrisy.

Harry Paterson 5:28 pm, 19-Mar-2013

'scuse the typos. 'smart' 'phone isn't all that smart, it appears...

Margaret 5:43 pm, 19-Mar-2013

No problems with the typos, but have a big problem with being as culpable as a child abuser...didn't answer my rephrased question Harry...

Harry Paterson 5:52 pm, 19-Mar-2013

Because I'm bored with your transparent attempts, Margaret, to get me to say something I didn't say but you wished I had. So, I repeat..."The incontrovertible truth is that any organisation can only survive and prosper with the consenting, active support of its membership. Surely there be can nothing contentious in pointing out that if the Catholic Church’s billion-strong faithful continue to do nothing then they are as morally culpable as the priests carrying out the abuse?"

Harry Paterson 5:56 pm, 19-Mar-2013

To be even clearer, if you do nothing, say nothing and continue to act as though these instances are one-offs, nothing to do with you etc, then you *are* culpable, along with your fellow Catholics, of perpetuating the culture that allows these vile crimes to be committed. You people are members of an organisation so take some responsibility for that which *your* organisation does.

Charlie 7:52 pm, 19-Mar-2013

So all Catholics are culpable of child abuse are they Harry? because that is what you have written...interesting. Have you any Catholic friends, because in the unlikely event that you have (or would want) always sleep with one eye open...you never know what they may be up to. And when they are not up to that, they breed like rabbits, and when they're not doing that, they're planning to blow up Parliament,..blimey,what's that of Plymouth Hoe...and with Easter coming they may be up for an uprising...get your gallows down to Tyburn Harry, that should sort them out. Unfortunately your bigotry is centuries old.

Brian 10:22 pm, 19-Mar-2013

Harry, how can you say all Catholics are guilty(cupable) of child abuse and not say you are bigoted. If this is not bigotry I don't know what is. Have you ever experienced bigotry in its most visceral form. The knee in the bollocks bigotry, taste of blood in you mouth bigotry, feel of your own urine down your leg bigotry, "Catholic bastard" bigotry, panic attacks bigotry. As I did as a teenager, and this was in England. Have you ever experienced bigotry Henry, have you?

Karen 9:07 am, 20-Mar-2013

I had paedophile parents, both strict catholics that took me to church every Sunday. Beat me for swearing and let their Catholic friends have sex with me from the ages of 3 to 10. I was a Catholic until I managed to have my own mind. I didn't stop because of my parents or what any of the others did to my brother and me, but because I needed to stop feeling guilty for being myself. Most of the people that have left negative comments need not respond to this post; I know you views, your facts and your beliefs.

Margaret 10:24 am, 20-Mar-2013

No Harry you wrote about not just some, but all Catholics, and I quote...."are as culpable in the ruination of children's lives as it does those carrying out the abuse themselves" So a man who I have never met before says I am as guilty as a child rapist, shame on you.

Neil 11:18 am, 20-Mar-2013

'My organisation' as you put it does not condone or endorse child rape. Sick individuals carry out those acts. In no way is it a catholic problem. It's a fact that these individuals will carry out these acts, whether they are catholic, protestant, muslim, aethist or whatever label you wish to tag to people. These acts are highlighted (and rightly so) by the media, but the obsession that it's a 'catholic papist' problem is ludicrous. I think this thread has run its course Harry, just like your journalistic credibility.

Harry Paterson 12:35 pm, 20-Mar-2013

It's a real shame so many people demonstrate such an inability to read what was actually written and respond in a manner that closely resembles hysteria. Let's try again. "if you do nothing, say nothing and continue to act as though these instances are one-offs, nothing to do with you etc, then you *are* culpable, along with your fellow Catholics, of perpetuating the culture that allows these vile crimes to be committed. You people are members of an organisation so take some responsibility for that which *your* organisation does." not that hard, is it, to grasp? I'm not saying *all* Catholics are child-rapists, Margaret. you're being utterly ridiculous. As ridiculous as I would be if I ever suggested such a thing. What I *am* saying is that if you continue, as you have all done, thus far, on this thread, to make excuses, attack your detractors, refuse to shoulder any responsibility for what *your* organisation does, then you are part of the problem, not the solution. Just like apologists and members of political parties are for the actions of their party when elected. Your continuing inability/refusal to grasp this essential truth of mature adult living, that who and what we support and join confers on us responsibility for what that organisation does, is indicative of a cult mind-set. also, Neil, in particular, your continued personal attacks say much about your much your type of religion. Shouldn't you be forgiving me? As for the accusations of 'bigotry' only in the warped mind-set of the slavish cult disciple could opposition to child-abuse, illegal covers-ups of that abuse, misogyny, anti-gay bigotry, leaders sitting on solid gold thrones while much of their flock starves to death in conditions of abject poverty,only in a sick mind could any of that be described as 'bigotry.'

Harry Paterson 12:42 pm, 20-Mar-2013

And Neil, no one is claiming, least of all me, that child rape is only a 'Catholic problem.' What you dishonestly refuse to concede, however, is that when the instances of said abuse are so plentiful, wide-spread and multiple and that the very highest authorities in your cult sanction, aid and enable cover-ups of these crimes and allow the perpetrators to evade the law, then there is a fundamental problem at the heart of such of an institution. That you can spend so much time making excuses and attacking me, personally, for pointing this out instead of waging a crusade inside your utterly corrupt and degenerate cult to actually do something about these crimes, says all one needs to know about the *real* values of of the Catholic Church. and one thing you have proved in spades is that those values have nothing in common with the tolerance, compassion, kindness and love of fellow man Jesus is alleged to have upheld.

Neil 12:59 pm, 20-Mar-2013

Thank you Harry for pointing out that I'm dishonest, intolerant, lack compassion are unkind and lack love for my fellow man. As for my personal attacks directed at you. May I point out I do not know you from Adam. I can only base an opinion on the words you have written. From these words (and its only a personal opinion) I conclude you are a bigot with an agenda. Your comments would hold a little validity if you understood how the average person (not just catholic) recoils in horror at these terrible acts inflicted by not just priests, but teachers, pop stars, milkmen...the list is endless. Yes there are cover ups but dont you think that we are not aware of that. Abuse in the catholic church is highlighted and fixated upon as non catholics have a fear of catholics, a fear perpetuated over the centuries. We are the bogey men, full of papist plots. I'm Roman Catholic and my religion plays a huge part in my life, however I'm sick to the teeth of being demonised by individuals with little else to do.

Margaret 1:00 pm, 20-Mar-2013

Thank you for your reply and confirming that you do not think all Catholics are as guilty of child rape as those who perform this vile crime. Although the last sentence in your article does say this.I'll still practice my faith and leave you to yours. Shalom.

Clever Trevor 4:11 pm, 20-Mar-2013

Eh up Harry lad, got yourself into a bit of a pickle on this one haven't you.Not surprising really after your rant of an article, disguised as journalism, hardly Pilger now was it ? Anyway I'm a bit like you, atheist until the day I die and all that, may well see you in hell shooting some pool, love that macho talk me. But unlike you, i don't mind catholics, in fact I quite like them , in fact i'm married to one...yikes, she's not bad for a left footer. But she is of the Emerald Isle variety..what do you think Harry...? aren't they the worst type... ?one of her sisters has even got more than two children...a good crop blight should sort the pesky devils out though. Anyway see you playing pool sometime...

Harry Paterson 5:18 pm, 20-Mar-2013

Le sigh, Clever (???) Trevor...My auld mam was of the Emerald Isle and of the left-footed persuasion, too. And while she continued to believe 'til the day she died, she never set foot again in Church after, while talking to her priest about the child abuse scandals and cover-ups, he told her she should "stand with our maligned brothers in Christ and not join in the attacks by the unholy, the profane and the enemies of Holy Mother Church." Says it all, sadly, and kinda proved the point I've been making. I'm sure your wife, though, is as equally principled...

Harry Paterson 5:25 pm, 20-Mar-2013

Thanks, though, 'Clever Trevor' for at least attempting to address one or two of the substantive points and not descending to diversionary, snidey digs. Oh hang on. Maybe next time then...

Clever Trevor 5:34 pm, 20-Mar-2013

She's happy as she is, and very principled I can assure you. Don't mean to be insulting but you've a great memory, can't remember one thing my mother said to me.

Harry Paterson 5:40 pm, 20-Mar-2013

Nae bother, mate. Shame about yer mam, though. I recall a great deal mine said to me. Mind, she had a long, slow decline to the end so plenty of time to talk and say all those things previously unsaid. Friendly tip, if I may? If she's still with us, your mother, make the most of it. We only ever have one.

Clever Trevor 5:51 pm, 20-Mar-2013

Good point ta, though no longer here...I hope she's in heaven though...and i'm an atheist !...until the day I die.

Roisin Dubh 10:19 pm, 23-Mar-2013

I'm staying Catholic.....mustn't have a "shred of basic human decency" then...if you say so Harry, it must be right.

Zoe 12:22 pm, 26-Mar-2013

I'm a practsing Catholic and according to the title of your article..."It's time Catholics were held accountable... " I am slightly concerned what you have in mind for me.... What does your variety of accountability actually mean ?

Harry Paterson 10:12 pm, 26-Mar-2013

Relax, Zoe; I'm not talking about burning you at the stake or anything like that. Much more your lot's style, that, than mine ;-)Seriously? I'm not responsible for the title so don't feel any need to explain it. My original title was 'Catholics, Popes and Perverts' but the editor decided to give it a new title. Drop him a line. I'm sure he'd be happy to explain.

Zoe 11:28 am, 27-Mar-2013

That's a relief, thought you may want to throw us all into one of your gulags....much more your lots style :-)

jonny 5:37 pm, 29-Mar-2013

And all the little vermin come out, come out to play their sniveling games. And here I thought I'd have to make one hell of an argument to persuade. ___________________________ "If everyone with even a shred of basic human decency turned their backs on this loathsome and repugnant coven, it would collapse." ____________________________ Ah but therein lies the rub. Everyone with a shred of basic human decency has. It is a classic mistake to imagine that the victims of exploitation are victims. They're victims, but it's a mistake to perceive them in those terms when they've jumped the fence and started creating making victims of Their Own. That's how the Pyramid scheme of exploitation 'works'. Suffering brings you close to God. That's the truest thing a Christian ever says; they create the suffering to bring you close to them. Get close to them and you'll be a sociopath in no time. When you're a sociopath, you are God inside your mind. You're no longer restricted by empathy. You can rape and molest and exploit as you please. All these little vermin commenting, they've graduated already. Yes, they're victims but they are not coming to the defence of the vilest institution on the planet because they're victims! They're doing it to protect their victimization. They're partners now. They're climbing the Pyramid scheme of exploitation now. They have to be put down now. Humanely, of course. I suspect it's not a deal-breaker. I lived three years in the Catholic Slum Republic of the Philippines. The leeches need to RIP now. Nothing else is acceptably humane. Everyone is raping Their Own. That's Catholicism. That's Christianity. Luke 14:33 leeches? Cannot be Jesus' disciple. I don't make the rules. Whilst you're pondering your non-Christian status, Numbers 31:17-18? I know what you sick vermin are all about. It's time for some peace now.

Keith 12:44 pm, 1-Apr-2013

Alright Jonny.....don't call us......think he's one of " your lot" Harry.......

Andy 9:43 pm, 3-Apr-2013

Harry, FFS something else i agree with you on! The article doesn't even go any where near your usual snarling language and yet you've managed to piss loads of people off, I hope they don't read your other articles! On a serious note I think this article whilst strong in it's content isn't lost by the over use of over dramatic adjectives - sorry, don't mean to sound like an editor! With regard to the article subject, is it me are are we being bombarded in the media by this new Pope bollocks? i don't care if 300 000 followers turn up to listen to a cult leader, I do care that the organisation is one the the biggest organised crime gang the world has ever seen.

Harry Paterson 9:14 am, 4-Apr-2013

Andy, the world's gone mad; you and me agreeing on TWO things??? Pissing off religious people is easy, though, isn't it? They aren't constrained by the usual norms of logic, common sense, truth, fact and objectivity. As you can see from the comments, they're far more concerned with defending their organisation than they are with the victims of their medieval cult.

Zoe 10:15 am, 4-Apr-2013

Looks like you've a cosy boys club thing going on here Harry. All that talk of playing pool in hell,hard rock,"FFS" and "pissing off religious people".... can you be any nore macho. I've read all the comments and they are pretty fair. People 'hear' your point of view, but do not care for the underlying anti Catholic stuff. Bigotry cannot be tolerated in whatever form...ever thought of a career in football management...capice..?

Harry Paterson 12:26 pm, 4-Apr-2013

It isn't bigotry, Zoe. I have the same contempt for all organised religions. Also, I would not, and have never, allowed my personal contempt and disgust for these institutions to influence my behaviour to individual people of faith. nor would I ever discriminate against anyone, ever, on the grounds of their religion. If it makes you feel better, my loathing of your vile cult is probably exceeded by my loathing of the the Orange Order. By a fairly considerable margin. Finally, you're either a hypocrite or someone who simply doesn't understand the meaning of bigotry; it isn't me, for instance, who is homophobic, racist, misogynistic and anti-Semitic. That would be the countless leaders and dignities of *your* reactionary coven. Opposing the bigotry of the Catholic Church doesn't make anyone a bigot. It makes them human and compassionate.

Keith 7:53 pm, 5-Apr-2013

From the tone of your article, I did assume that you were the sort of person who has " contempt for all organised religions". Obviously because of heinous crimes, and other acts committed in their name. With this in mind I can only assume that you hold similar contempt for organised political parties who may have had atrocities committed in their name.....

Harry Paterson 9:01 pm, 5-Apr-2013

Indeed I do, Keith.

Harry Paterson 9:03 pm, 5-Apr-2013

Although let's be clear here; the crimes I've outlined above weren't committed 'in the name' of Catholics. They were committed *BY* Catholics.

Harry Paterson 9:05 pm, 5-Apr-2013

And leading, ranking Catholic officials. So many of whom, in so many different locales, that it's not a case of a few bad apples but a question of something rotten and utterly corrupt right at the very heart of the organisation, from top to bottom,

Keith 9:26 pm, 5-Apr-2013

Very commendable, so why the support for the Communist party.....?

Harry Paterson 3:13 pm, 6-Apr-2013

Which communist party are you talking about, Keith?

Keith 10:47 pm, 6-Apr-2013

I dunno....but any thoughts on uncle Joe

Andy 2:24 am, 7-Apr-2013

@zoe. Don't be fooled by comments earlier and your subsequent comment regarding a cosy boys club. I try to to be Harry's conscience, asking him to be a tad more conservative (small c) in his use of the written word. To be fair he usually tells to fuck off, obviously not in those terms, but I do try. In this article I do agree with him, though if you look at our usual 'correspondence' this is not the standard situation! Harry's point, beyond the use of what can only be described as highly immflamable language, is correct. Until Catholics stand up against the abuse - physical, sexual, economical- of their followers the situation will remain the same. If they don't stand up against the abuse then they must be held responsible.

Harry Paterson 11:07 am, 8-Apr-2013

In a nut-shell, Andy. On all points. Keith; Uncle Joe? Not my bag, mate. A mass murdering despot who utterly derailed the revolution and wrought terror, misery and suffering on the Soviet people. I am not, nor have I ever been, a supporter of Stalinism. That do ya?

Keith 3:33 pm, 8-Apr-2013

OK..thanks for explaining..so Joe Stalin 'General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union' has nothing to do with Communism. Just as well, you wouldn't want to be associated with the 20 million who died at his hands. Any thoughts on Pol Pot...

Matt 6:32 am, 9-Apr-2013

The problem is that other than leaving the church, there is nothing that your average Catholic can do, which, if they are sincere in their beliefs, means condemning themselves to damnation. It's a nice little lock that the hierarchy has on its flock. Since the cardinals are appointed by the Pope, and the Pope by the cardinals, it leads to a very conservative organization with zero public accountability. Personally I think that the new Pope is a step forward with his increased focus on the poor, so that the church is becoming less regressive. After all, going from a century behind the times to 50 or 60 years behind the time is still a step forward. Maybe in a few more decades they'll reach the twenty first century. However, this is in no way trying to defend the mindless tribalism that people seem to spew whenever something that they identify with is attacked instead of actually rationally assessing a potentially valid criticism.

Baez 5:57 pm, 9-Apr-2013

Matt you are wrong, no Catholic will think they ar "condemning themselves to damnation" if they give up their faith. As all the comments have said, we are very aware and ashamed. of terrible deeds committed and I can assure you we do "rationally assess a potentially valid criticism". If you ever actually speak to any Catholic you will know this to be the case.

Bernie 2:36 pm, 10-Apr-2013

Well said Baez. Terrible crimes committed and we all acknowledge this. However it does seem to have opened up a latent anti Catholic feeling amongst some. As others have asked... but not been answered ...what sort of accountability does Harry want ..?

Harry Paterson 10:16 pm, 10-Apr-2013

Baez and Bernie, cheers, fellas, for reasoned and nicely considered comments. Appreciated. I'll take full opportunity to respond in kind soon and look forward to a civilised and fraternal exchange. For now, though, I'm busy celebrating. Had a bit of good news, earlier, this week...

Baez 1:27 pm, 11-Apr-2013

Ok Harry, but don't tramp the dirt down too hard, too much hate will only eat you up.

Angryraisin 7:28 pm, 11-Apr-2013

Wow, a lot of people jumping to the defence of this cult. I'm an atheist. I just don't get organised religion in any form. These recent revelations of the child abuse, that has been covered up for generations, beggars belief. Why do Christians need such a figurehead and hierarchy in the first place? Surely the rank and file Catholics should demand a full inquest and policy change to both prosecute the guilty, and, to ensure robust preventative measures? I'm not bashing Catholics for the sake of it, I'm saying "what are you doing about these terrible crimes and the people who a) committed them and b) covered them up?" I think this is a legitimate question from an onlooker.

Baez 7:54 pm, 11-Apr-2013

No one has defended what has happened, and yes we rank and file Catholics demand all you suggest. I can assure you that we want these people out of our church and prosecuted as much as you.

Mick 9:21 am, 12-Apr-2013

Well said Bernie and Baez. We deplore all crimes committed, we want true justice for the victims,the perpetrators (and those who covered them up) to be bought to account, but we also want the freedom to practise our faith...it was suppressed for many years, but many of of us do believe and want the freedom to believe. The whiff of totalitarianism on this debate is evident.

Oggy 10:27 pm, 16-Apr-2013

This article just tails off into a rant.....so what punishment are you going to hand out to all those culpable Catholics....???

Harry Paterson 4:47 pm, 17-Apr-2013

None, Oggy. I was interested in what the faithful were going to do about it. And, as we can see, with a handful of honourable exceptions, it appears precious little aside from making excuses, vehement reaction to valid criticism and defending the indefensible.

Oggy 6:54 pm, 17-Apr-2013

Haven't seen any of the many comments "defending the indefensible"....haven't seen any of the comments "making excuses"... The "vehement reaction" is to what people see as an anti Catholic bias...and I see this. You do make very valid criticisms of the Catholic Church..which I can't see any comments defend.

Sonia 12:40 pm, 18-Apr-2013

We are talking about a few bad apples. Remember no one is perfect. Jesus was right when he said "whoever has not sinned may throw the first stone." Being a priest is an awesome honor and responsibility. To be of service to others is to be a channel of God’s grace, for God’s continuing miracle is to fill the world with grace by working through human hands. May God bless them.

Harry Paterson 11:32 pm, 18-Apr-2013

Sorry, Oggy, what were you saying? ^^

Paul 9:35 pm, 21-Apr-2013

Elements of truth in the artiicle, but conclusions are preposterous, to say rank and file Catholics are as cupable as child abusers is absurd.

Sbat 6:21 pm, 24-Apr-2013

I'll take a stab, without trying to psychoanalyse you, Harry. This article suffers from logical fallacy. Your contention is that if I take Catholic Dogma as my guiding moral compass (profess to be Catholic), and the leaders of the Catholic institutions systematically commit crimes, then as a follower of the faith, my support of the religion is an implicit endorsement of their behavior. It's a fair argument for all of those Catholics who give money/property to the Church. But there are many who profess to be Catholic who do not participate in tithing or attend Mass, but practice their faith independently of the institutions. Your broad stroke indictment captures these non-supporters of Catholic leadership in that same net.

Sbat 6:24 pm, 24-Apr-2013

In any case, far from being a "bad" piece in the modern journalistic sense. This is a successful piece - it engages readers and has elicited a high number of responses in the comments section and brings notoriety to both the author and the blog. Modern journalism 101.

T 10:42 pm, 17-May-2013

Utter tripe Harry.....you bigotry has run away with you.

Judith 12:19 pm, 23-May-2013

Mr Paterson, you are a professional wind up merchant.......

Jane 8:38 pm, 24-May-2013

"Reactionary", "Medieval", "discrimination of women".....I thought you were going to give us all a serious critique of heavy metal... But it's more Catholic bashing.........come on Harold, people in glass houses...........

Jane 9:13 pm, 24-May-2013

Blimey Harry it get worse...I've just read your support of Arthur Scrargill, whilst criticising the Catholic Church for opulence. What about Arthur's 1.5 million flat in the Barbican he was so desperate to hold onto that took his old union the NUM to court over..and lost! ...because he really needed it...?..people in glass houses.....

Harry Paterson 12:25 am, 27-May-2013

Jane, yours is the most bizarre 'logic' I've yet encountered on this thread. That's takes some doing, too, given the unhinged nature of much of it! It's simple, really; someone can be absolutely correct about something and then, thirty years later, be completely wrong about an entirely different matter altogether. It's not that hard to grasp, surely?

Harry Paterson 12:27 am, 27-May-2013

I'd also point out that I am not, nor have I ever been, a member of the NUM so how I can held responsible for what happens regarding that body is beyond me.

Harry Paterson 12:29 am, 27-May-2013

By the way, Sbat, you make a fair and valid point which I entirely accept.

john 10:02 pm, 30-May-2013

Nothing 'bizarre' about Jane's logic Harry...shows you are more up your own arrogant rear end than you realise. I totally 'get' Jane's fantastic logic. ...Harry,you, with all the'questionable' groups and causes you support,are not fit to cast any stones........

Harry Paterson 12:49 pm, 4-Jun-2013

Utter nonsense, John. your thinly-veiled personal attack fails to even attempt to explain why you think Jane's 'logic' works. I repeat, "someone can be absolutely correct about something and then, thirty years later, be completely wrong about an entirely different matter altogether. It's not that hard to grasp, surely?"

Harry Paterson 12:51 pm, 4-Jun-2013

I'd also be interested, John, in learning which of those alleged causes and groups I support you deem "questionable"?

Joseph 9:27 am, 10-Jun-2013

I am a Roman Catholic, but after having just read your article a number of times I am just a little confused about what exactly you want me to do? Please do inform me so that I may take the appropriate action.

Harry Paterson 6:18 pm, 13-Jun-2013

Well, Joseph, if I were a member of any organisation that featured a serious number of my leading officials, all over the world, abusing children, the number of which runs into the hundreds, and/or actively breaking the law to cover it up and protect the child-rapists, I'd be organising protests, demanding answers and screaming from the roof-tops. Or I'd leave. Maybe both. What I *wouldn't* do is what the majority of your coreligionists on this thread have done; scream 'bigotry'make all sorts of excuses and shoot the messenger.

Joseph 3:07 pm, 14-Jun-2013

Thought you may say that. Obviously terrible crimes have been committed and covered up. I can assure you we want justice and change at least as much as you....why wouldn't we! Not one of the posts about your article denies this...I've read them all...please point one out. Also what is a 'serious number' amongst 1.2 billion people with a line strecthing back 2,000 years. One is too many, but please do inform me how the church compares with any other body or grouping.As for you complaining about 'majority of co religionists...on this thread' I think they have a point about your anti Catholic bigotry....you'd hate the church anyway...don't deny it. None have made any excuses and none have 'shot the messenger'.Taken the micky maybe, but I haven seen any bullets. If you are to indulge in 'controversial' posts, as you have done in this post amongst(all) your others, you should expect a bit of grief,dissent, even humour.

Harry Paterson 6:53 pm, 18-Jun-2013

Joseph, I'm not a bigot. Definition being, "someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with hatred, contempt, and intolerance on the basis of a person's ethnicity, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics." Taking a pot-shot at a medieval, hypocritical cult with the blood of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands, on its hands, doesn't make me a bigot; it makes me human. If it's any consolation, force me to pick any religious order/group anywhere in the world that I really do hate above all others and it'd be The Orange Order and their Prod bigots; now that's what I call bigotry.

Liz 10:43 pm, 20-Jun-2013

Well said Joseph. I have not seen one post defending what has happened or making excuses...so why Harry do you say the "majority of your for religionists" have said this....not one Harry, not one.So why do you say the majority have.....??? Why are you so totally incorrect...???

Harry Paterson 10:06 pm, 21-Jun-2013

Get a grip, Liz. Virtually every post on here is a variant of the 'ah-yeah-but-blah-blah-blah-and-you're-a-bigot' defence. Not a single ounce of genuine remorse, shame or regret for the poor victims; just heaps of defending and trying to explain away the inexcusable actions of this backward cult.

Liz 5:33 pm, 24-Jun-2013

Thanks for the advice...I've now a much firmer grip on things, so with this in mind I've re read all the posts, and again I state not one post defends or has made any excuses. So why do you say "the majority of your religionists" have made these statements. No one has defended what has happened, so why do you say the majority have ??Why Harry, why ?????

George Whitebread 9:00 pm, 22-Jul-2013

Liz has for you Harry, hit the nail on the head. How or why does an objective, cognitive, fair minded, rational journo type like yourself Harry, completely misunderstand and misinterpret the"majority of your religionists" replies....??I'll leave it to work out for yourself Harry old boy

Mac 4:56 pm, 28-Dec-2013

You cant attack a religion so viciously. You have to respect people's faith. The crimes committed were disgusting but you can't ask people to leave there faith based on the action of (admittedly numerous) individuals. Shall we ask Americans to leave their country because of the rape, murder and brutalisation of black slaves for hundreds of years committed by people of power? (This is just an example that is a can of worms for a different day perhaps.) Harry you are entitled to your opinion as we all are but when you have such a strong view on religion, which you can broadcast on here don't be so surprised with the backlash. I am aethiest by the way.

AJM 5:07 pm, 2-Jan-2014

What a horrible, unbalanced, hate ridden, vile piece of so called 'journalism'... I have to quote one of the many objections to your article..."Liz has for you Harry, hit the nail on the head. How or why does an objective, cognitive, fair minded, rational journo type like yourself Harry, completely misunderstand and misinterpret the"majority of your religionists" replies....??I'll leave it to work out for yourself Harry old boy"....you have been well and truely found out.

Mox 10:49 am, 5-Jan-2014

After reading a few of your articles I get the sense that you are riling against any institution of authority that in my opinion is reminiscent of the punk attitude toward authority. Although I agree with you in some cases I think this article was really in poor taste. I can't help but think you wrote it to get a reaction and not because you believe what you wrote. If on the other hand you stick by this ridiculous theory of yours then, in the famous words of Julian Cope..."Put your head back in the clouds and shut your mouth".

,!!!!!!! 10:35 pm, 17-Jan-2014

This article is a pile of steaming dung.

Geordie Warrior 10:38 pm, 30-Jan-2014

Mr Paterson.....surely you cannot be serious ...?

Ted 11:21 pm, 12-Mar-2014

What a really poor article. Think you have let your hatred of Catholics get the better of you Paterson.

Sammy 10:48 pm, 29-Mar-2014

Having read your article and all the negative comments (about 98-99per cent I think), I have to agree with them. Nasty article, bigoted tendencies.

Green Manalishi 3:22 pm, 16-Apr-2014

Strange article Harry. Having read your other posts, seems like you and the current incumbent of the Vatican have much in common. So why are you so bigoted.....sorry, meant to say dismissive of him?

Tony 9:46 am, 28-Apr-2014

Great to see one million worshippers at St Peter's in Rome yesterday. How many divisions.....?

445 9:35 pm, 13-May-2014

What is it with the right on brigade, of which you Paterson are a fully paid up member, and their hatred of all things Catholic. To say Catholics are" culpable in the ruination of children's lives" is nothing short of scandalous..

Harry 10:15 pm, 4-Jun-2014

Um, yeah, 445... http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/04/children-galway-mass-graves-ireland-catholic-church?CMP=fb_gu

Phil 10:50 pm, 13-Jun-2014

Um , yeah, Harry........and?

Royston Ruffian 11:07 pm, 19-Jun-2014

What a poorly researched article, with poor conclusions.

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