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Despite the tales of human sacrifice, world domination and masked sex parties, I managed to speak with two Master Freemasons from across the pond, to find out what the deal really is with their secret traditions...
For centuries the Freemasons have been known as a cloak and dagger society that employs the use of secret handshakes, mysterious passwords and bizarre blindfolded entry rituals. Their fondness for secrecy has led to outlandish speculation and has even made their practises outlawed in certain countries.
Some accuse them of being members of a hidden worldwide shadow government, worshiping the devil and even performing human sacrifices at the foot of a gigantic effigy of Magog. With a slight trepidation of having my throat slit with a double-edged letter opener for discovering “too much”, I managed to speak with two third degree Master Freemasons from America to find out what the deal really is with their ominous rituals and so-called world domination plans.
Jake Hanrahan: Morning guys, first of all could you tell us where you’re both from and what level you’re currently at in the world of Freemasonry?
SJ: I’m Stephen Jennings, from Ohio, USA. That’s where I was “raised” in the Masonic sense to the third degree. It’s also where I attained the level of 32nd degree from the Scottish Rite. Currently I reside in Washington State. 32nd degree is the highest degree I have attained.
MB: Hello, my name’s Mike Braun, I am from North Carolina and I am a third degree Master Mason and a 32nd degree Scottish Rite mason also.
So what’s the difference between a Scottish Rite mason and a regular one?
MB: Masonry has side orders. Actually, there are a bunch of them, but the popular ones are Scottish Rite and York Rite. If you think about Freemasonry as High School, then the side orders are like taking college classes. In the US, Scottish Rite is not the same as it is in the UK. In the southern Jurisdiction of the US, you go through the degrees of four to 32 in a weekend. It’s not as prestigious as it in the UK. Over there it takes time, and those are the same guys who get the 33rd degree and are accused of ruling the world [laughs].
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Scary. How did you first get involved in Freemasonry?
SJ: I majored in History while at college and always enjoyed reading about Masonry just from a historical point of view. You could be reading articles or manuscripts and sometimes Freemasonry was inserted without explanation. There was a lot of mystique surrounding the Craft, especially in British, Irish and French histories. So when I was 19 and still in school, I went to the biggest lodge I could find, which was the most impressive building in the city, and I asked to join. About six months later I was raised to the third degree.
MB: I have several friends whom I look up to who all happened to be Freemasons. After seeing that they all had this in common, I was curious. Then, after reading how evil they apparently were on a conspiracy forum, I had to find out the truth for myself. I didn’t believe my friends could be part of anything other than a respectable organisation.
In the UK it takes time, and those are the same guys who get the 33rd degree and are accused of ruling the world.
Why do you think that a lot of people perceive the Freemasons as this ominous society that rule the world from behind the scenes?
SJ: That’s a very complicated question. Ultimately I believe it has its roots in history and ignorance. Freemasonry was a secret organisation from the start. It may not be now, but at the beginning and into the 20th century, we were a very secretive organisation… that much is fact. We were secret because we did some very audacious things [laughs]; such as allowing Irishmen to drink with Englishmen and do business, discuss personal freedoms, rail against the monarchies, push away from social injustices caused by religion. In the 1600′s and into the 1800′s these were some very serious crimes. The secrecy was more or less to hide those who were members in case the authorities discovered, as well as hide the actual society itself from those that would do it harm. Freemasonry has been persecuted in every major country in Europe, and the Catholic Church ensured that no one was mistaken about the evil deeds we performed, spreading rumours and lies to taint the reputation of the Craft.
In modern times there is still the stigma lasting from the centuries of persecution. Hitler rounded up Masons and placed them in the same camps as Jews. Jews had a gold star; Freemasons wore a blue forget-me-not. Mao and Stalin also persecuted Masons, and Freemasonry is illegal in China and most Middle Eastern countries to this day. In Britain, public officials have to detail their membership to the Craft and so on. In the United States the largest ever third party in our political system was the “Anti Masonry Party”.
MB: And people fear what they don’t understand. In the past the stance of Freemasonry was to ignore all the rumours, rather than try to explain things to the public, so some of the rumours got out of control.
SJ: Yes, and then we have ourselves to blame. We are a weird organization… we talk funny, hold funny rituals and antique ways of acting: oaths and obligations, initiations and bizarre customs. By today’s standards we are downright weird. Many people look at us and have no idea what to think… often the overly religious write it off as Satanism or other such nonsense.
What about the strange antics of things like Bohemian Grove though? Do you not think that has a detrimental effect on the Freemasons? After all, when a load of rich fellas meet in a secret forest to worship a gigantic stone owl and make mock human sacrifices, the wrong impression can be given, especially when it’s performed so secretly…
SJ: The Bohemian Grove is not Masonic in any way shape or form… it gets thrown into Masonry because it’s a group of well-connected rich guys getting together and doing bizarre rituals in the woods like you said. But not every bizarre ritual is Masonic. The Grove was first established by very successful actors and journalists, and soon encompassed powerful people from business and politics as well – not Masonic though.
Okay, but what about Leo Zagami? He reckons he’s the kin of some mysterious Illuminati bloodline, and that the Pope is in fact a Freemason, and less surprisingly has a boyfriend…
MB: [Laughs] I think Leo has a fantastic imagination. He’s quite young to be the head of Masonry and the Illuminati. As with most things in life, if it sounds too fantastic to be true…
I guess… How does a member move up in the ranks, and what do the degrees represent?
SJ: A member moves up by first being initiated after passing a vote, which must be a unanimous acceptance. Then the candidate learns the degrees obligation, and in many cases the entire actual ritual by heart, and then recites it to the lodge at a meeting. These rituals continue until you are “raised” to Master Mason. There are then three total degrees, Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft, and Master Mason; each with its own degree.
MB: The first three degrees are the most important and hardest to attain though. You have to recite a catechism that describes everything you went through.
When you say everything you went through, do you mean in life or in the ritual process?
MB: I was referring to the ritual, but life lessons are the key to understanding why you ended up in a lodge. It’s one of those things that really cannot be fully explained, it must be experienced.
Discussing the secrets doesn’t reveal anything about our actions or plans. Some people would never step foot in a lodge if they knew what the ritual was.
What happens in the ritual?
MB: Initiates go through a ritual. They usually have no idea what is going on, but when he learns about it in the study later, he understands the reason for everything, and hopefully learns the lessons that were meant to be taught.
So to gain clout in the world of Freemasonry, you have to take part in a secret ritual where you have no idea what’s going to happen to you?
SJ: No Mason is higher than any other Mason regardless of what you’ve done. The only real power of any sense is the Most Worshipful Master of the Grand Lodge, who oversees states and countries… They’re sort of the government, and they’re elected by the officers of all lodges in an open election. Masonry is a direct democracy in most countries. Some countries, like England and Wales, are governed in a more traditional manor. Prince Edward, the Duke of Kent, is the head of the United Grand Lodge of England and thus head of all Masonry in England and Wales since 1967.
I can’t tell you what the degrees individually represent, but that they are allegorical and signify the basic tenants of Freemasonry. The Scottish Rite, where you go from four to 33 as an honorary, is done in a play like setting, where candidates watch the performance and discuss the lessons learned.
Going back to Leo Zagami again – he talks of degrees up to 37, is there any credence in this at all?
SJ: Not in the Scottish Rite… The Scottish Rite stops at 33.
What sort of benefits does a higher degree Freemason have from a lower?
MB: A full Master Mason can go to any meetings, where as a first or second degree Mason may only go to a meeting opened in his degree respectively. There are no differences though really, except more dues to pay.
But if there’s no real difference for someone who has effectively worked harder than a lower level Mason, other than having to cough up more membership money, why are people so eager to raise their degrees? If there is no hierarchy or benefits to this I mean…
SJ: The difference between a Master Mason and a one or two degree Mason is that only a Master Mason may fully partake in Lodge affairs; that is, voting, committees, officer positions, ritual work. You are not a fully-fledged Mason until you are a third degree Mason. If you go on to be a 33rd degree or a Grand Commander of the York Rite, or Potentate of the Shrine – it doesn’t matter. In a lodge or elsewhere, you hold absolutely, positively no special bearing over any other Mason. Even the Most Worshipful Master, head of all Blue Lodges cannot do anything rash. Everything is the result of a direct democracy in Freemasonry, except in England and Wales.
Sounds a bit like Socialism to me.
SJ: It’s more like an extreme form of Republican Democracy. The closest political definition I could possibly place on Masonry is Libertarianism. Power is decentralised. Each state makes its own laws. Each Grand Lodge can only enforce the laws as outlined in the Charter. Each Lodge is self-determined and has its own constitution. All officers are voted for by the members, all Grand Lodge officers voted by the officers of all Lodges, and no collective oversight over all Worldly lodges. And the ritualistic teachings of Masonry place a very heavy emphasis on personal responsibility. Any form of collective “socialist” practices would take place on a collective personal level… personal choice, personal action. We never rely on another institution, not even our own Grand Lodge, to care for us in any form.
Think the original United States Government under the Articles of Confederation. Very decentralised, almost no “head” government to speak of, no outlining of government responsibility to individuals. It’s the polar opposite of Socialism.
Okay… Have you ever been privy to information that has perhaps led even you to believe that there’s a more sinister side to the Freemasons like everyone else thinks?
MB: Never.
SJ: On the contrary, everything I’ve learned about the Masonic political system has shown that it is very open, direct, and void of corruption. I’m certainly not saying it’s impossible that there is corruption, abuse, and so on, but from my interactions with multiple Grand Lodges I have never seen anything that would make me doubt my membership.
It’s an odd mix of guys: young and old, professional to unemployed, guys in $2,000 suits sitting next to a guy covered in tattoos with gauged earrings.
So what exactly do you do at Freemason meetings?
MB: A meeting is a business meeting. We have certain rituals that we do.
SJ: First we open the lodge, read some petitions if there are any, maybe vote on a new candidate, and discuss different committee reports.
MB: We vote to pay peoples bills.
SJ: Yes. We deliberate upcoming events, plan new ones, maybe prove up a member or perform a degree, then close the meeting. Usually there is a dinner before or after, and my personal lodge goes to a local bar for a few beers afterwards.
The Freemasons will actually financially support its members in times of need?
MB: Yep. That is one of the things we are famous for amongst ourselves. We don’t advertise what we do since that would be like tooting your own horn, but we do lots of things for people who need help. Most people just don’t hear about it.
Suddenly I feel the need to get involved. How does Joe Public become a Freemason, or is it only for a certain group of society?
SJ: No you don’t have to be anything special. To be one, ask one.
MB: That’s all you have to do. And be a good person with no criminal record.
SJ: You’ll see if you ever join, it’s an odd mix of guys: young and old, professional to unemployed, guys in $2,000 suits sitting next to a guy covered in tattoos with gauged earrings.
But why all the secrecy?
SJ: Secrecy today is more of a tradition, there are very few things we actually cannot talk about and the only reason we cannot is out of respect for the tradition, think of it a taboo if you will. Discussing the secrets doesn’t reveal anything about our actions or plans. Ultimately it’s a perfect recruiting tool, some people would never step foot in a lodge if they knew what the ritual was, and some who otherwise wouldn’t join, would. This way we keep only those willing to entirely trust strangers in, without them knowing what will happen if they join.
MB: The secrets that we keep are simply a test of character. The passwords and handshakes are our only secrets and they can be found out by a junior detective.
Can you teach me the handshake?
MB: It’s only for Masons.
Maybe I am one though…
MB: Are you?
No.
MB: …
What if you want to leave the Freemasons?
SJ: You stop paying your dues, and stop coming to meetings.
MB: Or you can demit, which requires you fill out a form. Nobody will come after you.
Thanks for speaking to me, it’s been an education. For some reason though, I still find it all a bit ominous, but I think it’s just a part of me wanting to if that makes sense? The idea of the cloak and dagger world control element is alluring…
SJ: Hmm… maybe I can help. There is a control element in this world but it doesn’t happen in a Lodge room, no, it happens in the Board Room. Bankers control the world, money controls the world, the globalists control the world. Progressive elites control the world. These are the people desperately trying to integrate world governments, who are trying to use the Euro Crisis to turn it into a federalist system with the destruction of individual sovereignty. There are people in this world trying to consolidate power globally, who transcend nation, boundaries, culture and history. They do it for the power, the wealth, and the control.
Freemasonry has always been desperately opposed to such ideologies, our core beliefs of self-sufficient individual sovereignty and freewill have led to our being hunted by such people and organisations. There is a reason why the most powerful regimes in the world hate us, why history always shows the most powerful governments persecuting us. We are usurpers of consolidated power, because where power is consolidated there is corruption, abuse and neglect.
If you want to take aim at the New World Order -the globalist elites that are trying their hardest to tear down this world and build a new one without national identity – look at the Council of Foreign Relations, the IMF, Reserve Banking, ECB, politicians supporting the Euro, Club of 500, World Trade Organisation, and most importantly, the Bilderberg Group. Masons are easy to be a scapegoat for the powerful and corrupt, we have been for centuries, because we rarely ever defend ourselves from public ridicule. The biggest problem for Masons is not that we are attacked, but that those who attack us are the real culprits doing harm in our name, they go unseen and are not held accountable.
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all exclusive groups are dangerous for the fact they are closed to people generally, the masons in particular; anyone who was in NI during the troubles can tell you how much of a hand the masons had there, particularly in the RUC
I'll have to look into that. Were they anything to do with the black and tans?
This is actually a fair article and congratulations on finding actual freemasons.I must point out though that while I agree with almost everything thats been said here (I'm also a mason) the opinion that "bankers control the world" is likely because you got these guys from a conspiracy message board. Most masons don't believe that at all - I think SJ's commentary on the "new world order" is conspiracy fantasy...much like the freemason theories we find on conspiracy message boards.
Often seems impossible to read some facts on freemasonry online - but this does a great job, good article
I am a Freemason & this is one of the best interviews on the topic I have read. In not so many words these are the same talking points I raise when asked these questions. Ppl like to think they are privy to info that others aren't & since Masons have let this kind of conjecture run amok, we are an easy group to scapegoat.
Thanks for the comments. LiDness, I think the conspiracy thing is more a personal opinion of the guy rather than he must be nuts because he uses a conspiracy forum. Like they say, each Freemason follows "the Craft" but of course still has his own free will and opinions.
Can I be a Freemason....?
Why are women not allowed to be masons? Or am I misinformed? Is there a female equivalent? Dodgy....
Freemasonry is a fraternity - ergo men. Just like a sorority = women. However some lodges to permit women into traditional masonry. But there are affiliated masonic groups that are female oriented.
couple other points - u have to ask to be a Mason, we don't solicit for members - it ensures we get ppl who are genuinely interested. with dwindling membership numbers, as long as u have a good rep & no criminal background, you will be welcomed with open arms! As far as us ruling the world, i work in a call center & our Lodge Master is a janitor :)
Jake - A good point. And I of course realize that not every mason on a conspiracy site believes all of it, but as a former member of that site the level of absolute tinfoil hat theorizing is almost comical. Its a great thing the forums there have masons to correct some of the nutters, but over time I've noticed some of them bought into other (non-masonic) conspiracies...which I think is sad, but to each his own.
Definitely see where you're coming from LiDness. I think there's an all women Freemason group somewhere in Scotland or something.
If you managed to get info out of a Master Free Mason, then it's because he knows nothing. That organisation has a hierarchy that nobody is aware of, and even a Master Free Mason is nowhere near the kernel of the organisation. This is a waste of cyberspace.
Waste of cyberspace? Go back to F5ing your facebook mate. It's funny how no one knows about this hierarchy yet everyone does at the same time. I don't doubt there's something sinister behind the group, but I interviewed Master Freemasons, not Grand Master conspiracy causing specialists or whoever they are.
It would be very interesting to identify how many of the organizations identified (Council of Foreign Relations, the IMF, Reserve Banking, ECB, politicians supporting the Euro, Club of 500, World Trade Organisation, and most importantly, the Bilderberg Group) have Masons as high ranking officials in them, just a thought?
Andrew Parker knows nothing about reality, but thats not unusual. There is no invisible hierarchy, thats conspiracy fantasy. Funny how you know all about it but the real masons dont, eh? And at the author - you don't doubt theres something sinister? Have you ANY evidence for that? Finally, Harlequin - not many. Most of those organizations have public membership lists.
There's got to be something sinister with some of the members, as is with any group of humanbeings. A friend of mine was a waiter at a Freemason meal recently and said they were all battering the tables with their hands after every course. Just bizarre.
Good read. Freemasons are the good guys! Look where they came from ... Sufis ... Jesus was a Sufi and the Knights T were. Sufis are as old as mankind!
As for anon RCs did not join the freemasons they have one they join.
What's that one called indigo wolf?
Or lies to cover the truth and shut doors on the wondering minds... Funny how this convinced all readers, how do you think they got to where there at now? manipulation is key to power...
Very good article, but of course it won't change the stupid ideas some people who are easily fooled into thinking there is something sinister going on behind Lodge doors. People like Andrew Parker who keep insisting there are such things as 'low level masons' who are not high enough, not in the 33rd degree etc. All rubbish. The 3rd. degree is as high as you go. There is nothing higher, all other degrees are given via SIDE orders. So funny how non-members know more than members!
Hi Sir Hanrahan.. It was a relief to know that you don't have to be personally invited by the group to become one of them. basically all a person have to do is to ask to join in. Since High School I always wanted to be part of the group. I've read articles, blogs etc. to deeply know the group. I am from the Philippines and you do have a Lodge here. My town has one. how do i present myself as an eager candidate to join in. if it's not to much can you consider giving me an endorsement letter or not that is if it's not violating any of the sacred rules..
Great article. My father is a mason. When you die, they pay for his funeral. So he's got that going for him, which is nice. Ive been to meetings and considered joining. They ask you to basically denounce any religious beliefs you have in favor of their masonic bible. Meanwhile, they tell you nothing about who they are. No thanks. Still have that bible. Good read.
Are Atheists still banned from becomming members?
First, secretive is suspect - laws will follow. Sooner or later. Second, any order which is headed by Royals, who are known to have an evil family tree, and during that history, these criminals headed such orders????? Plenty of non-traditional evidence on the internet to verify these facts. Lastly, note , what would seemingly be a lie - The freemason was asked how we leave the order and relied; SJ: You stop paying your dues, and stop coming to meetings. Earlier, the freemason says this; SJ: You’ll see if you ever join, it’s an odd mix of guys: young and old, professional to unemployed, guys in $2,000 suits sitting next to a guy covered in tattoos with gauged earrings. Yes, those unemployed people and those working class, will pay the ridiculous fee's involved. SURE!!!! So, a blantant contradiction. Freemasonry is over 90% upper middle/ upper class and royals. How does this represent the views of the MAJORITY!!!
Flux, I'd like to point out a few errors in your thesis there bud. First, the order isn't headed by Royals. At least not here in the US. Each state has a grand lodge which "oversees" the other lodges. There is no lodge that oversees the entire country and definitely not one that oversees the world. Second, your quotes are taken way out of context. Many masons are poor and/or unemployed. Dues vary by lodge but at my lodge are around $60 a year, so those fees are not ridiculous as you put it. And finally, most masons are retirees. I don't know about where you're from, but around here retirees are not considered middle/upper class. So, in closing, when doing research on a subject, don't just read info that supports your theory. Find something "credible" that supports each theory and form an opinion based on those facts.
Pointfaded, you seen quite open about freemasonry. Please would you explain if you have taken this oath to protect fellow masons. If not, then 'freemason' is non-applicable. The whole point of freemasonry is this secretive oath. So i hope you dont mind me asking?
There is an oath, but it's no different than taking the oath at your local courthouse. Nowhere does it demand that you protect one of the brothers just because he is a mason. On the contrary, the brothers are discouraged from "asking favours" from other brothers soley because they are both Masons. The "secrets" of Masonry are a test of character and help protect against just anyone from walking into a Lodge. Lodge meetings are business meetings and are ment for members only. You couldn't just walk into a DuPont or Dell or Microsoft business meeting without first proving you have the right to be there. If you want to learn who and what Masons really are, I suggest you find out from your local Lodge if and when they have public events. Our Lodge has a pancake breakfast every 1st and 3rd Sunday of the month and has several other open events throughout the year. There are even a couple where the public is allowed into the upper room where business is conducted. Just remember, everything you do in Freemasonry is of your own free will and accord.
Here is what the Masonic constitution has to say: "the use by a Freemason of his membership to promote his business, professional or personal interests is forbidden. A Mason's duty as a citizen must always prevail over any obligation to other Freemasons, and any attempt to shield a Freemason who has acted dishonourably or unlawfully is strictly forbidden." Hope this clears things up for you.
Someone asked prior about women in the Freemasons .... just so everyone knows it is the Order of The Eastern Star.
hi i want to know full details abt free mason what is free mason its religion or what that i want to know so plz tell me as soon as possible
I have studied both sides of arguments about the Free Masons for along time. Some of these comments seem to have hateful thoughts, maybe I'm wrong,sorry if I am. I appreciate all the Masons who have commented, it is rare to get these kind of discussions. I try to focus on the cup half full as apposed to the cup half empty. Before one casts judgements on the Free Masons, I ask them to research how much in charities they have raised in your community. You may be surprised. I suffer from depression and my own inner demons, and if it weren't for that fact, and that I have never committed to any real long term, besides my marriage and family, I would ask to do what ever I needed to do to join. Great, great article.
Pointfaded, would you deny this? A 'ritual' involved in the Royal Arch which states that a Freemason should "relieve and befriend" any brother Freemason in need of help and should "suggest the most kindly and the most palliating and the most favourite circumstances in extenuation of his conduct, even when justly liable to reprehension and blame".
Does a wife have to play a certain role, or up keep a certain image if you will, if her husband is a member?
Great article. My father is a mason. When you die, they pay for his funeral. I'm not sure that is true, it might be in other Countries, but I am fairly sure not here in the UK in U.G.L.E. Ive been to meetings and considered joining. You will not have been to any meetings under U.G.L.E. jurisdiction. You might have been in the Bar while a meeting was on, but that would be all. Private business would be under discussion, and as it is PRIVATE you are not entitled to hear or take part in the meetings. They ask you to basically denounce any religious beliefs NO we do not. you have in favor of their masonic bible. Again, NO we do not. Also what Masonic Bible? There is no such thing. Meanwhile, they tell you nothing about who they are. All you need to know about Freemasons and Freemasonry can be freely told to you if you ask.
In the U.S. we have converted an artificial intelligence program into a Master Mason. We have secured ultimate "Y" and we are just waiting for someone to release it to the public. We cracked it while OBAMA was in office, but we are using as a weapon until the public fully understands immortality. Funny thing people been practicing the circle of Freemasonry for so long they never recognized the finish line. Sigh. FREEMASONRY.
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Flux, I can neither confirm nor deny that as I myself am not apart of the Royal Arch. Let me ask you this though. It's a police officers job to keep the peace in his/her jurisdiction. Every police officer swears to uphold the constitution and all the laws of the land that don't conflict with the constitution. Does every police officer do his/her job? Has there ever been a police officer that broke the law? If a few police got together and started making their own rules and disregarding the laws of the land, would you hold all police responsible? Would you deem them all a secret society and conspirators? We're looking at the same thing here. I can't say that no Mason has, or never will step out of line and pursue his own agenda, as I haven't meet every Mason this has been or will be a part of the fraternity, but I can say that I believe that I can speak for the majority of us when I say that if there were ever such a circumstance that they should be held accountable and judged according to Masonic Law. Just as any police officer who breaks the law of the land should be judged accordingly and held accountable for his/her actions. I would also like to add that you can't just pick out bits and pieces of any "ritual" and use it as evidence. Things were written a certain way for a reason and should never be taken out of context. You should post the whole section you found that quote in so as everyone can see what was going on before and after, and get a clear picture of the message being portrayed.
@pointfaded - Superfluous. You talk of the police to move the spotlight. Let me show onlookers and yourself, how disgusting your freemason club really is - The oath of a freemason is above the law and the bible. Same in the US. You swear to protect each other until death. Regardless of the crimes. Hence, Jimmy Devil Savile, was exposed after death. Jimmy savile's family are of the monarchy bloodline ( royal arch )John Savile & Elizabeth Paston, in 1540, made the royal bloodlink. The savile's were also conservative MP's in the history of England. They do not tell us about this. Why??? Because, Jimmy savile was in the corridors of power. He spent many years with dennis and magie thatcher( Conservative Prime Minister), at 10 downing st. for christmans. He was close to the monarchy. Many photographs show Savile with prince charles ( laughing ). But, he had keys to hospitals & childrens homes. The police and nurses knew he was abusing children. Jimmy Devil Savile followed the custom of a freemasons burial. He was buried at an angle according to his degree in freemasonry. For Jimmy this was 45degrees. But , the media tell us he wanted to face the sea! HAHAHAHAHA So, the media are clearly part of it ( masons on the boards, like all large firms ) Evidence about the burial angle - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/celebritynews/8881638/Sir-Jimmy-Savile-is-buried-at-an-angle-so-he-can-see-the-sea.html Note the coffin angle. Here is a freemasonry website letting the cat out of the bag - http://www.masonic-lodges.com/masonic-lodge-funeral.html Do you see it, at the bottom of the page? Yes, there it is. What they did not want us to know. DEVIL SAVILE WAS A FREEMASON. A radio station in the UK, is airing this information. This will not stop until the bloodline masons are exposed. If any man continues supporting this devil worshipping( freemasonry ) , let it be known that he is just as bad and because of his oath, he is to be treated as the getaway driver in a bank robbery.
Because the freemasons swear an oath to protect each other, Jimmy Devil Savile was only exposed after death. Jimmy savile's family are of the monarchy bloodline; John Savile & Elizabeth Paston, in 1540 made the royal bloodlink. The savile's were also conservative MP's in the history of England. They do not tell us about this. Why??? Because, Jimmy savile was in the corridors of power. He spent many years with dennis and magie thatcher( Conservative Prime Minister), at 10 downing st. for christmas. He was close to the monarchy. Many photographs show Savile with prince charles ( laughing ). But, he had keys to hospitals & childrens homes. The police and nurses knew he was abusing children. Jimmy Devil Savile followed the custom of a freemasons burial. He was buried at an angle according to his degree in freemasonry. For Jimmy this was 45degrees. But the media tells us he wanted to face the sea! HAHAHAHAHA ( they face the sun god in fact ) So, the media are clearly part of it ( masons on the boards, like all large firms ) Evidence about the burial angle - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/celebritynews/8881638/Sir-Jimmy-Savile-is-buried-at-an-angle-so-he-can-see-the-sea.html Note the coffin angle. Here is a freemasonry website letting the cat out of the bag - http://www.masonic-lodges.com/masonic-lodge-funeral.html Do you see it, at the bottom of the page? Yes, there it is. What they did not want us to know. DEVIL SAVILE WAS A FREEMASON!! A radio station in the UK, is airing this information. This will not stop until the bloodline masons are exposed. If any man continues supporting this devil worshipping( freemasonry ) , let it be known that he is just as bad and because of his oath, he is to be treated as the getaway driver in a bank robbery. If the truth is with-held by the moderator, i shall add this website to the list of protectors.
Freemasons DO NOT swear an oath to protect one another in the context you would like to believe, flux.
Freemasons are NOT and DO NOT worship the Devil, and no matter how many times or how many of you loony tin-foil hat wearing liars keep spouting such fantasies it will never be true.
Where is your evidence Savile was a Freemason?
Flux, your links as evidence are circumstantial at best. There is a major leap one must make to come to that conclusion based on them alone. You're entitled to your own opinion though. A right the founding fathers (many who were Freemasons I might add) ensured you would have. As far as my talk of the police, I was simply making an analogy.
Excellent article, Jake. Really good choice of topic that has spawned a very engaging discussion. Thank you Pointfaded for your candour and comments. flux - you are a cock. What is the central agenda of the masons, i.e. why does the group exist?
Flux: your life must be truly dreadful. Is there anything I can do to help?
Yeah right. Like a 3rd Degree Mason is going to know anything. lol
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First off, I am a freemason just like the guys interviewed. It is great seeing an interview like this online. The biggest reason Freemasonry has this image problem in the public eye is because there is no head body to speak for the fraternity. Nobody can speak directly for it. There is no overall figure head, just like SJ and MB described. Truly one of the neatest points of the fraternity is going to lodge meetings with guys from all walks of life, and being accepted at the same level regardless of financial history, social status etc... In today's world the internet and technology is dividing people, there's a group or niche for every conceivable political, religious or social view. A place where you can be exclusive with others. Freemasonry is completely antithetical to this. I can discuss my views or opinions on any subject with other members from my lodge (although Politics and Sectarian Religious discussion are not allowed at a lodge meeting) without fear of being ostracized, made fun of etc... James Connors, Senior Warden Ionic Lodge #145 Reisterstown, MD
I hate the masons because they are the cause that world is not good
I have been a freemason for 7 years and it is probably the most rewarding thing I have ever done. I joined to put something back into the community and to help others. The rubbish and bad feeling by some towards freemasonry beggars belief. Of course there are those in the world who will believe what they want to believe.I joined masonry at the age of 52. I only wish I had joined the fraternity earlier. It is honour to break bread with honourable, charitable and like minded bretheren. With the advent of the internet the truth is out there for all to see as long as you can get passed all the nonsense and drivel.
they are like transformers.they infiltrate in anything seamlessly and modifies its motives for their brotherhoods' economic gain. Masonry is the principal form of religion, that said harvesting lifes and universes. They are not a counter to any religion they are natural switchbox and creator of any religion and their multireligion business, with they everything is just a matter of imagination and utilizing, rituals thing is a nonsense. Of course they will cloak from the world crowd they religionize.
He's good he Literaly talked AAAROUUUND everything the journalist asked him. Or he's clueless. I mean why does this eye pop up everywhere come on..........even on adult swim, its the fidelity investments logo, celebs have jackets and tattoos, the illuminati is mentioned in song... they just need to come clean I'm tired of lies and rummors Whats there to lie about there was no reason to be secretive in the first place
Freemasonry has helped me to be a better person,father and husband. A stipulation of being a Mason is that you believe in a supreme being, which allows Muslims, Christians, Jews and any other follower of a higher being to sit next to each others as equals. We take our oaths on the same Volume of Sacred Law as you would in a court. I am a practicing Freemason and a practicing Catholic so you conspiracy lovers make of that what you will.
"globalist elites that are trying their hardest to tear down this world and build a new one without national identity" I like the idea that we could all live in this world without feeling separate to one-another. Why should we have a national identity?? Patriotism causes division which is ideal for those who want to keep or gain power!! Who are people going to go to war with if there are no nations?? No one can make money from weapon contracts!! Freemasonry started of with people who did not want others (there fellow brothers and sisters) to know how they did things?? Knowledge is power.... Now they use misinformation and illusions to control people. I applaud Freemasonry for trying to bring all religious people under one roof, but I feel they do not do this to prevent division but for their own personal gain. They know Religious institutions around the world are in a mess, the people are waking up and started to be informed. Religious groups can't afford to fight with each other anymore.. They have to join together or be no more. The problem with Freemasonry and religions is that they cause DIVISION while telling everyone else the opposite. They try and convincing the common mind and themselves that it must be true because they do charity etc... bl bla bla.. Most religious folks and freemasons believe the WORDS.... It's a shame they can not figure this extract from the bible out for themselves... "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD" Words, words and more words... These people thrive on words, symbols and manipulate themselves and others because of words, symbols and hoping to find the TRUTH in words!! FOR NO PRICE AT ALL and NO SECRETS, I WILL GIVE YOU THE TRUTH!! THE TRUTH COMES FROM INSIDE YOU, DON'T LOOK OUTSIDE FOR IT.
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The Hells Angels and many criminal biker organizations will say the same things. That they are simply a fraternity and any wrong doings done on behalf of the group is the result of a few bad apples. Just like joining an outlaw motorcycle club you have to ask to join. They let you hangaround for a bit and when they can trust you ( usually because you've done something to dirty your own hands aswell as passed a number of tests) they then begin to reveal to you little by little their true agenda in detail. So its structured just like every gang and mafia. Once they are certain you truly share the same philosophy, ideals and beliefs as they do, only then shall you be trusted enough to know the secret agenda of the group. A 3rd degree Mason would have no real knowledge of the inner workings of the group. The general does not divulge his plans to low ranking soldiers. So low ranking members know nothing and high ranking members only made it there because he can be trusted to keep secrets. How can you ever believe anybody is telling the truth when they are part of a group which admits putting heavy emphasis on secrets?? you protect secrets through misinformation and deception. Lies. " By the way we are a secret society without any secrets lol.. our strength lies in our ability to keep secrets..but we no longer have any secrets, please believe us. " you can't believe that because of major conflict of interest issues. They admit to being a secret society but deny having secrets?? Do they think we are that stupid?? You have to be smart enough to know what they do without ever being told and act like your not aware of it. That is how you will advance in the Freemasons. You need to be smart enough to do what's expected of you without being asked to do it so that your actions are pure and not the fruits of seeds planted by others. That way the higher ups know you do what you do because you sincerely share their beliefs and they are not the product of another's influence. You have to naturally possess hidden knowledge and it cannot be taught to you yet you must demonstrate proof of possessing this knowledge in subtle ways. The Freemasons give intellectuals a channel to attain true power in life. No matter which walk of life your from you can join the Freemasons and be given the opportunity to prove your true worth. Once they know your intelligent, trustworthy,capable and that you TRULY share their beliefs, only then does the possibility of true advancement within the ranks start to present itself. They aim to control the world. To shape it to what they believe it should be. If you share their vision and can learn what that entails without being told then you truly share the same view by means of natural disposition. They are banned in China because China has its own secret societies with their own agendas. Governments dislike them because they try to control nations by means of infiltration. The Royals call all the shots from the UK and dictate the grand scheme of things. Everybody is only told or shown what they need to know so nobody ever has a complete picture of the drawing board except the man who is holding the pen doing the drawing. Whether they wish to shape the world for the better or worse is unknown and likely subject to the eye of the beholder. Do not doubt that their sole purpose is to control the world. Do not doubt a hidden hierarchy exists. Do not doubt 33rd degree is not the highest rank. Do not doubt that your secret society has secrets even its members are not aware of. Do not doubt the Royal blood line is overseeing the whole. Once the Mafia couldn't deny its existence they admitted to it existing in court but simply said " the Mafia exists, but is nothing illegal" meaning we exist but were not bad guys.. This is what the Freemasons are telling us right now.
Shame the interview wasn't with some English Freemasons. I'm sure the United Grand Lidge of England could have arranged an interview.
Another interesting look at something a bit different from Jake. Nice one. Lots of outright nonsense in some of the comments, though. For instance, Freemasonry has had virtually *no* involvement in the RUC in the Six Counties *at all.* The Orange Lodge, on the other hand, very much so indeed. The two are entirely different organisations and, indeed, are mutually incompatible. Any Freemason who practices his Craft under the authority of any of the 'Home' Grand Lodges would be expelled if he was discovered to be a member of an Orange Lodge. Secondly, the chap who's father is a Freemason has either A) Pulled your leg B) You're pulling ours or C) Either/both are telling lies. *NO* Freemason is required to renounce any religion. Fact. There is also *NO* Masonic God.At all. Fact. The Great Architect of the Universe is a term deployed so that no member of faith feels his personal religious affiliation is comprised. Thus TGAOTU is Allah to a Muslim Freemason, Jehovah to a Jewish Freemason and so on. As for 'How Masons Operate' well, this is just bullshit form start to finish. Always tickles me when I read about the 'inner cabal' about whom the duped rank-and-file know nothing yet people who aren't Freemasons seemingly know better!
@ Harry Paterson or any freemason.... I would like to ask some genuine questions and receive honest answers to all my questions, please do not be selective, thank you. Is it true that atheist are not allowed to join the freemasons? (An atheist who does not believe in gods or a so called Great Architect of the Universe) If atheist are not allowed to join can you please explain why? Am I correct to say that they want people of religious faith to join only? If the above comment and question is incorrect then why do freemasons only accept you if you believe in a Great Architect of the Universe? Surely this is implying that something/some-one/some-group is in control and has a plan! Kind of reminds me of a god. Which book does freemasons keep on the alter at the lodges? Please explain why. Do you think something/some-one/some-group is designing life of the universe or life on earth? If so how do you know? How do you know its aim is for good or for bad? How do you know your not being duped yourself? Do you believe that having a so called secret society and only accepting certain people is good for humanity and that it will bring people together? Do you think that the majority of those who apply to become freemasons are seeking power, power over there fellow brothers and sisters? If not please explain why! What do freemasons mean by enlightenment and why do they feel only certain people can recieve such a thing? What good act would a non believer do that a religious person would not do? What bad act would a religious person do that a non believer would never do? Thanks for spending your time answering.
@ Harry Paterson or any freemason.... I would like to ask some genuine questions and receive honest answers to all my questions, please do not be selective, thank you. Is it true that atheist are not allowed to join the freemasons? (An atheist who does not believe in gods or a so called Great Architect of the Universe) If atheist are not allowed to join can you please explain why? Am I correct to say that they want people of religious faith to join only? If the above comment and question is incorrect then why do freemasons only accept you if you believe in a Great Architect of the Universe? Surely this is implying that something/some-one/some-group is in control and has a plan! Kind of reminds me of a god. Which book does freemasons keep on the alter at the lodges? Please explain why. Do you think something/some-one/some-group is designing life of the universe or life on earth? If so how do you know? How do you know its aim is for good or for bad? How do you know your not being duped yourself? Do you believe that having a so called secret society and only accepting certain people is good for humanity and that it will bring people together? Do you think that the majority of those who apply to become freemasons are seeking power, power over there fellow brothers and sisters? If not please explain why! What do freemasons mean by enlightenment and why do they feel only certain people can recieve such a thing? What good act would a non believer do that a religious person would not do? What bad act would a religious person do that a non believer would never do?
nice pr job,so are you going to tell us next the great seal on the dollar bill isnt a freemason symbol,as the official us treasury line goes,so therfore it must have been illicitly engineered, introduced, with, i am presuming the help of more than one person,which would make it a secret, conspiring ,by who,budhists, purlease !!!
@ Alexander It will be very unlikely that a freemason will be able to answer all your questions. Most have never even contemplated asking such questions, most have been programmed to believe what they are told from a young age, they lack critical thinking! Hence why they join a society which they no very little about... FAITH that's what they have and that's what the elite want people to have. I think your last question says it all really. An atheist would not do an bad act against or kill his fellow humans over a BELIEF(religious so called right and wrongs) Good questions good luck finding a freemason capable of answering them honestly!! You can learn more from ones actions than mere words.
Alexander, lot of questions there, mate! Your first question, "Is it true that atheist are not allowed to join the freemasons?" Depends on which Grand Lodge is in charge. One, in France, allow atheists, UGLE, on the other hand, requires 'belief in a supreme being' but no further elaboration is required. How that' supreme being' is defined is entirely up to the individual. The reason why UGLE, GLOS and GLOI (England, Scotland and Wales) do not admit candidates who do not profess a belief in a 'supreme being' depends on which historical account you believe, as there is no officially authorised explanation. some Freemasons feel, with good reason, it's merely a hang-over from centuries ago when such customs had to be adopted to provide a veneer of establishment-friendly gloss to help stave off the documented persecution and hounding many Freemasons experienced. Other brethren feel a belief in a supreme being is vital and central to the philosophical and moral lessons The Raft seeks to teach. Pay your money and take your choice, frankly.
Error: GLOI Grand Lodge of Ireland *not* Wales. Doh...
Craft not Raft. FFS, 'phone!!
"Which book does freemasons keep on the alter at the lodges?" This book, universally known as the 'Volume of Sacred Law,' depends entirely on the faith of the candidate to be admitted. A Christian might want the bible, a Muslim the Koran and so on. As an aside, the concept of learned and progressive, liberal men, meeting in a secular society which admitted men of all faiths was something very, very revolutionary centuries ago. More currently, I know many Freemasons who feel with the world torn asunder by religious conflict that the egalitarian and mutually tolerant ethos of The Craft is more relevant than ever today and provides a noble antidote to religious conflict and intolerance.
"Do you think something/some-one/some-group is designing life of the universe or life on earth? If so how do you know? How do you know its aim is for good or for bad?" No, I don't believe any such thing; other than that capitalism and its supporters is enslaving most of us. I suspect, however, that isn't quite what you meant ;-)
"Do you believe that having a so called secret society and only accepting certain people is good for humanity and that it will bring people together?" Good question. Not directly, no. But then no Freemason would ever claim such a thing anyway. The aim of The Craft is 'to make good men better'. Again, the secrecy is a centuries-old device that was necessary to protect Freemasons from vicious and hysterical persecution, mainly by the Catholic Church, but also by civil authorities who, like all controlling groups down the ages, fear that which they can't control.
"Do you think that the majority of those who apply to become freemasons are seeking power, power over there fellow brothers and sisters? If not please explain why!" No I don't think this and the reason is because *all* Freemasons swear an oath (or 'solemn obligation' if we're going to be PC) specifically *not* to use their membership for personal gain/influence/power and those who do so will be expelled instantly.
"What do freemasons mean by enlightenment and why do they feel only certain people can recieve such a thing?" 'Enlightenment' is knowledge of self and how to apply that knowledge to one's relations with the rest of humanity for all our benefit. Freemasons do not believe only a select few can receive this. All men 'of mature age, sound judgement and strict morals' are eligible to join. That many choose not to is their choice and in no way reflects an elitist approach by The Craft. "What good act would a non believer do that a religious person would not do? What bad act would a religious person do that a non believer would never do?" No idea as this is a question for a religious person and while The Craft comprises men of many different faiths, it is, essentially, a secular organisation.
Williams, you'll notice *all* Alexander's questions have been answered. you seem typical of that paradox among the anti-Masonic community; someone who is not a member yet claims to know much more than those who are :-D Funny, really.
Thank you very much Harry Patterson, I know I had asked a lot of questions and really appreciate you answering them all. I have many more questions however I do not want to burden you any longer with my ignorance. However as you have kindly answered my questions I must tell you why I feel so strongly about knowing about Freemasonry. First I will tell you a little about myself: I am happily married man to a lovely wife for the last 12 years, I have two adorable children, and my family comes first before anything else. I am an Atheist, I came to this judgement after spending many years reading various religious text on Christianity, Buddhism, Islam and various new age religions. I also spent a fair amount of time reading books on Darwin, evolution various authors and biology. I am not prejudice against anyone having faith in there religions however I do see how it divides people all over the world and even in my local communities and It saddens me. I came from a broken family and left home at a young age and was led astray by elders who I thought had there best interest in me, however I was young, Naive and foolish. I made an oath when I was 18 that I will remember all the things I disliked and make sure I learnt from these mistakes, including the mistakes that my mother and others around me made. I also wanted to make sure that my future children/family would never have to feel the way I had felt in my past about things. To this day I am 35 years of age and have kept my oath and have even gone as far as helping others in need. Now this is where Freemasonry comes into it. Two years ago I started helping a young family out, The children were having difficulties at school and parents had many problems of there own and clearly could not cope. One child reminded me of myself and I felt a duty to intervene. I befriended the step father and slowly started to help him as I believed he could be the light the family needs, he was a good guy but was not aware of his potential and the impact he'd could have on these children. luckily, I work for myself and can spend time with others and helping out my children's local school, while trying to be good role model for my children. Now I started to look for liked minded people like myself in an area that I have only spent a few years in and needed some kind help, I have helped others in the past and been successful but this particular family was draining my energy and I needed my self some guidance from like minded people. Then I spoke one day to an acquaintance who mentioned freemasonry to me and said they are people like me, people who want to help others and better themselves. So I did a little research and telephoned the grand lodge in ST Albans, I spoke to a gentleman and we proceeded to have a polite conversation, Then he said that I must have a belief in a supreme being to be even considered being apart of this fraternity. I manage to avoid answering this question and went on to say I will call him If I feel if this was right for me and my family. I guessed I already made my mind up there and then but had to think what supreme being meant and did not want to lie to anyone that I did believe in a god or any supreme being. I never had a second conversation with him as after absorbing the conversation and understanding what Supreme Being meant I felt I could not join a group which was prejudice against others because of what they did not believe in. I realised they were not people like me. Just one more thing..... You said that more than ever religious people from all walks of life need to work together, I also think Atheist & Agonistics have a massive role to play in the development of oneself and mankind. Thank-you again for answering all my questions.. all the best.
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@ ILLUMINATI. lol, Freemasons have some competition across the Atlantic waters. @ Alexander. Clearly you made the right choice, those who discriminate against others are just as bad the fanatical religious nut jobs! You Alexander could teach a freemason a thing or two. I fear they would not listen as they have superior complex issues, are hypocrites and actors. Look at Anders Behring Breivik, mass murderer (mind controlled fool.) Jim Davidson, pedophile along with many more. Did these men become better people? Oh.. wait I can hear a freemason say "there is always bad apples in any bunch" Oh yes your correct, it's just when that bunch starts protect each other and it becomes more than just an odd case here and there. Sounds like the Catholic and Anglican church. Alexander, your a true brother to the family of the human race.. you have empathy these people don't posses it, not even with there own families. I wish you good health and a happy life, I believe you will get both. @ Harry Patterson. You sir are a conjurer and a fake. You did not answer all those questions. If you did not get it.... Alexander was being polite! Capitalism is not enslaving us, in some cases it's actually freeing people from enslavement. RELIGION enslaves people, whether they know it or not! It oppresses them and there loved ones. It makes them divided to the rest of humanity and makes them ignorant. It makes them slaves to there god (the establishment) which is also head of freemasonry. Black and white is every where in the corridors of power and the church and in many countries the police also. It's people like you Mr Patterson who enslave mankind, you are just to bias and institutionalized to know it. In the Uk freemasonry is made up of policemen... It's the police which blindly protect the establishment and the capitalism's greedy bankers. There job is protect the people, but they like most hypocrites care only for money and there own security... and those in power know it! Keep up with the PR stunt Harry.. I am sure it will attract more greedy folks.
@ Harry.... I nearly forgot. The only reason you answered some of those questions is because of my first comment! You wanted to prove to yourself, to me and others that your were not what others think you are! Shall we all believe it was just coincidence that you replied straight away after my comment! Again... Ones actions speaks louder than mere words.
You need to go and have a lie down, love. In a darkened room with a cold compress. On the question of organised religion, I couldn't agree more with you so chill out, there's a good chap. As for UK Freemasonry, you are, with respect, talking utter bollocks. The membership comprises men from every profession you could possibly imagine. I know fairground workers, teachers, doctors, dustbin men, engineers, writers, musicians, politicians, factory workers, trade union officials and social workers who are all Freemasons. You need to take off your tin-foil hat and learn to relax ;-)
Mikie, You are so full of shit. Masons do not pay for their members funerals. You have never been to a meeting, becuase you would have to be a member to be at a meeting. And a Mason would NEVER tell you to renounce your religion! You have to believe in a higher power to become a Freemason. Atheists are not accepted into the Fraternity. Membership is open to men of any ethnicity or religion who can fulfill the essential qualifications and are of good repute. Masonry cannot be a religion for many reasons. My lodge has members from Muslim, Jewish, Catholic, and other Christian families. Mikie 5:34 am, 12-Aug-2012 Great article. My father is a mason. When you die, they pay for his funeral. So he's got that going for him, which is nice. Ive been to meetings and considered joining. They ask you to basically denounce any religious beliefs you have in favor of their masonic bible. Meanwhile, they tell you nothing about who they are. No thanks. Still have that bible. Good read.
I have one question. in the Websters dictionary in my school (i have no clue what the exact name or edition is) the definition of a Knight Templar is quote "Any member of a freemasonry" and the Templar were a large and powerful military and political power in Europe. this is the opposite of what SJ describes the Freemasons as, why is this?
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