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Frankie Boyle: Still A C*nt

Frankie Boyle has been condemned for calling Olympic swimmer Rebecca Adlington 'Dolphin Face.'' Risque comedy or just a bully?

Oh you’re off Frankie? Ta’ra then

There’s a place for gratuitous abuse in comedy. There’s a place for seeing how absurdly and wilfully grotesque you can get. The Aristocrats conceit is a solid enough premise to warrant an entire film. Stewart Lee committed brilliantly immature offence in the last fifteen minutes of Nineties Comedian, conjuring up images of a kneeling Christ becoming a willing and divine urinal in his hour of need. Jerry Sadowitz won a 1980s’ bet by calling Mandela and Terry Waits, ‘cunts,’ to remind everyone that back-slapping alternative comedy had stagnated just as much as the working men’s club compering that preceded it. The reason they do this is either to highlight hypocrisy – see Stewart Lee’s Christ piss riff – or because they are funny enough to get away with it, provoking us to laugh where we shouldn’t.

Admittedly, it’s a fine line. What about when you’re just a gratuitous bully, picking at easy targets, disingenuously presenting yourself as a fearless savage because you pick on the disabled? Why, then you’re Frankie Boyle. When he makes a pun on the title, ‘Baywatch,’ craftily transforming it to, ‘Gaywatch,’ we must simply be grateful to him for taking us back to the fearless work of Lenny Bruce. When he makes the classic joke, ‘Congratulations on passing your test! You’re HIV positive,’ it conjures up the finest Swiftian satire. I reckon Peter Cook, if he’d tried hard and spent a lot of time with Frankie Boyle, might even have come up with this gem: ‘When I heard Cristiano Ronaldo was pictured holding a manbag, I was surprised it was a Gucci bag and not another guy’s sack.’ Tee-hee. Cristiano Ronaldo is gay. Curse our luck that Dudley Moore was the unfortunate swine to get the chance.

What really winds me up isn’t so much the jokes he’s making – we all make tasteless jokes that we shouldn’t – it’s the unwarranted veneration and shamelessness. There are a fair few reasons why he’s so able to piss me off, though most of it’s because he’s pathetically celebrated for bullying some truly blameless groups of people, and doing it crassly, taking comedy nowhere. Taking the piss out of Down’s syndrome – not a laugh riot. I am so square, daddy-o. In Mock The Week, what was he up against? Russell Howard, a child’s sketch of an alternative comedian. Hugh Dennis, a Radio 4 bedblocker. Mark Watson, a comedian devoted to having stubble and being almost competent enough to talk without tripping over his tongue. Who else? Andy Parsons – The One To The Right Of The Screen. Against these comedic mavericks it’s no surprise he got a bit of a name for himself.

“What about when you’re just a gratuitous bully, picking at easy targets, disingenuously presenting yourself as a fearless savage because you pick on the disabled? Why, then you’re Frankie Boyle.”

But for what? For being tiresomely shocking. He says female athletes are lesbians. Good one. With Labour’s pledge to get any and all into university, we’ve endured the unstoppable rise of Student Humour. What does university give these thousands of kids? A certification of their intelligence. With narcissism going through the roof, we were always going to pay for this. Is it OK to think you’ve achieved when you’ve got a 2:1? No. University is three years of not thinking, jumping through educationally stunted hoops to carry the thick kids through. University is watching your lecturers drink themselves to death in response to the startling lack of constructive thought. University is the place for this century’s self-regarding youth’s brainless provocation, carried out a thousand times before. Renaming buildings after Terry Nutkins. Going to bad taste parties dressed as Maddie. It’s been done a thousand times before. All Frankie Boyle did was get on telly and say the word AIDS as a joke, just as it became the tired centrepiece of twentysomething gross-out humour.

Really though, what gets to me is he’s a charlatan. Calling his autobiography, ‘My Shit Life So Far’, is playing to the idea that he’s pushing boundaries. But he’s on BBC2 every week, Channel 4 every other week, surrounded by the B-listers he maintains disdain for. He pretends to be the outsider because he says The Bad Word to Sonia from Eastenders. He performs lazily at corporate gigs just like Peter Kay and Jim Davidson. He calls his DVD, ‘If I Could Reach Out Through Your TV And Strangle You I Would.’  He pretends contempt for our coin, but he’s no more than our court jester. The Weimar Republic had its days of decadence before it’s descent into Nazism. So when Hitler comes back, blame Frankie Boyle. Ooh, look! A Hitler joke! Frankie’d like that.

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Alexander 3:00 pm, 24-Aug-2010

I think I've stolen the Russell Howard description, but I couldn't find it anywhere. £5 for the person to identify it.

Craig 3:41 pm, 24-Aug-2010

Frankie Boyle makes me laugh. That's all that matters to me, next.

Bark Pamphlet 3:55 pm, 24-Aug-2010

That'll do for us, Netherton! Magical assassination of the Mock the Week panel. Nicely!

Charnock 4:01 pm, 24-Aug-2010

Wonderful stuff.

Stainless 4:18 pm, 24-Aug-2010

He makes me laugh. And he also makes other comedians laugh so he must be doing something right.

Neil Summers 4:22 pm, 24-Aug-2010

Jesus lighten up, the man's a funny fucker 99% of the time

Rtb 4:24 pm, 24-Aug-2010

Genius. Nuff said.

OJ 4:44 pm, 24-Aug-2010

Neil, so close: the man's a funny fucker 0.99% of the time. Top work Netherton.

adam 5:53 pm, 24-Aug-2010

Ah, well... he's up and down... but even Picasso painted some shite.

Etc 6:09 pm, 24-Aug-2010

The main problem I have with Frankie Boyle is that he can be very funny, but too often he takes the lazily offensive option. He's become a tired cliche. There's nothing wrong with offensive material, but when it's all you offer then it gets a bit tiresome. Boyle's genuinely talented, but all people want is the shock (knob) jockey and he gives the public what they want. I'm sure he couldn't give two tugs of a dead dogs cock about the opinion of a bunch of internet commentators though.

sam 6:59 pm, 24-Aug-2010

isnt this just one comedian of sorts trying to discredit another. this is more sabotage than reportage.

Whipping Boy 9:22 pm, 24-Aug-2010

This is the by far the best thing you've written. Boyle is a bully who picks soft targets. How do people not recognise him for the cunt he is.

Leyton Rocks 11:05 pm, 24-Aug-2010

I think the tiredness we feel towards Boyle is due to the overexposure popularity brings and him inevitably playing to the crowd. He's cunt one minute and dead funny the next.

Stainless 9:52 am, 25-Aug-2010

I get impression that all those dead against Boyle are the same one's that think Little Britain is hilarious (or did before it got over-exposed).

Robert 12:53 pm, 25-Aug-2010

You've got a real chip on your shoulders about education, haven't you Alexander?

Alexander 3:14 pm, 25-Aug-2010

Robert, Bobbie, I'm against fee-paying primary and secondary education, yes, and I think the roll out of university to an aim of 50% of school leavers is, in its present state, ill advised.

Robert 3:58 pm, 25-Aug-2010

Firstly, you call anyone who sends their kids to private school a 'prize arsehole'. So what do you call someone who packs off their sprogs to the local comp without a second thought, if that comp happens to be utterly mediocre? Secondly, you assert that university is 'three years of not thinking, jumping through educationally stunted hoops to carry the thick kids through.' Maybe that's what it was like for you, but drawing generalisations from a narrow sphere of experience makes you a 'thick kid' I'm afraid. The difference between criticising an institution and simply insulting the people associated with it is the difference between cogent thought and petulant chippiness. It is also the difference between decent writing and utterly sub-par, grudge-fuelled drivel.

Alexander 4:04 pm, 25-Aug-2010

Bob, R-Bert, No, I don't think packing off kids to any school, mediocre comp or not, without a second thought is A Good Thing. That's your words, not hinted at by me anywhere. But I see your point. Secondly, I'm sure there are some very good university courses, but the people in favour of bullying/student comedy don't seem to have found them. Thirdly, I'll stick by my 'prize arsehole' summation. I'm a Trot, sorry, you'll not win me round, we'll agree to disagree here, I imagine.

sam 8:33 pm, 25-Aug-2010

i'm genuinely curious here alexander, i havent read a great deal of your previous statements toward university or any other form of education as i am new to the site, but does your problem stand with the courses students choose, the universities themselves or students in person. i felt degraded by your statement that it is not fair to say you have achieved upon earning a 2:1, i am happy to admit that i am not the brightest person in the world in particular when it comes to written english so i do struggle with exams, but i am in person aiming for a 2:1 in university and would be thrilled should i recieve it.

Alexander 8:35 pm, 25-Aug-2010

Sam, Don't feel bad. I got a 2:1, too. If you feel you got something out of university, I'm glad for you.

Robert 12:15 pm, 26-Aug-2010

On the contrary; I didn't say you did think that Alexander, those are not my words. I asked you a question. My point, which I had thought was an obvious one, is that when considering their child's education, parents are primarily motivated by obtaining the best schooling available to them, and that to criticise them for opting out of a failing local state school (in a juvenile, personal fashion) because it 'kicks social mobility in the nuts' is risible. Secondly, I agree that there are some (all right, a lot) of very tedious individuals at universities. Concentrations are to be found in the union, dramatic society and the sociology department. That doesn't make university 'three years of not thinking'. There is a kernel of original thought here, rather undermined by lazy generalisations and personal vendetta. It's also a bit rich to attack Boyle for trying to pass off gratuitous offence for comedy (as you would have it) when you're so fond of trying to pass off tedious diatribes laced with invective as reportage.

Alexander 12:26 pm, 26-Aug-2010

Robert Thanks for the syllables. I don't think we're going to agree. I think you're only going to be disappointed by what I write in future, so you may as well steer clear until I get commissioned by the Times Education Supplement and write as such. I'll be sure to make my rants watertight logic in future though.

Steve 8:45 pm, 26-Aug-2010

Interesting article. Complete bullshit, of course, but interesting none the less.

Vincent Vega 12:51 am, 28-Aug-2010

The man is a genius, a true hero of comedy, up there with the likes of Tommy Cooper.

Jason 9:49 am, 30-Aug-2010

If you overlook the scathing tone then you do have a point - just expressed so bitterly. The man knows he's a cunt, that's him

nicholasR 7:53 pm, 11-Sep-2010

frankie boyle is quite funny but the problem with everything now is there is too much TV. he should be 'that funny bitter guy' on TV maybe appearing as a guest and so on but instead he has a book and his own Tv show etc and he just isn't that funny. he only really has one joke

Rob 7:47 am, 12-Oct-2010

Boyle is a charmless cunt who is so far up himself he believes his own shit smells of roses

adam 9:20 am, 12-Oct-2010

Look at The Thick of It. Genius programme.... absolutely brilliant. But by series 3 it's ceased to be character based and become a vehicle for Malcolm's swearing, which by itself is not actually funny. It's funny in the context of the rest of a brilliant show... Frankie's the same. There's moments that it genuinely works and is very very funny... but to rely on offensiveness and swearing all the time... that's not comedy. That's just swearing.

allan roney 1:31 pm, 25-Oct-2010

it's an oft repeated line, but he truly is a poor mans Jerry Sadowitz, prompting the great man himself to label one of his tours the 'Happily Punch Frankie Boyle In The Face' tour (referring Boyle’s own 'I’d Happily Punch Every One Of You In The Face' tour). A charlatan.

Blake Carrington 2:04 pm, 25-Oct-2010

Just a quicky Alexander, Stewart Lee's routine from 90's Comedian was all about vomiting into the gaping anus of Christ.The pissing bit was just to clean out a little bit of shit to get some more vomit in there. Sorry to be a pedant, innit.

Llywarch apLlywarch y Bos II 2:29 pm, 25-Oct-2010

Nah..... utter drivel. Frankie's funny. Surely there are more deserving of being called a cunt out there you could have written about?

Roger Hine 4:15 pm, 29-Oct-2010

Frankie Boyle is brilliant and by far the best comedian on our shores. No-one can name a comedian with a better delivery! Whoever wrote this bitter drivel needs too take a look out of their window for once or maybe even have the guts to step outside of their bubble world they are living in. God bless Franke Boyle.

Dingdong 9:15 pm, 11-Dec-2010

Frankie Boyle is both very witty and a bully, the two aren't mutually exclusive. He reminds me of the bully at school who was super confident and could make fun of the weak kids. And yes other kids laughed at his jokes also because they weren't the target.

Tracy Jones 3:50 pm, 20-Dec-2010

Imagine the hardest time of your life and why it was the hardest time of your life. Imagine someone telling jokes about it to millions of people, that directly impacted every time you went out. Would you find it so funny then? My son has a rare life threatening condition and it is heartbreaking to see him go through so much pain and struggling with every day things you and I take for granted. If you find that funny you are a very sick individual. If you know nothing about disability then ignore it, don;t condone it. But for the grace of god you could be in a car accident tommorow and experience that life. You are right though - Frankie Boyle does only have one joke - himself.

Tracy Jones 3:53 pm, 20-Dec-2010

Remember the hardest time of your life and why it was the hardest. Then imagine how it would have felt if some so called comedian had started telling millions about it, so that you could be ridiculed everytime you went out in society. Would you find that funny? Perhaps your life is perfect and your alright Jack - well I wish you well for when that bomb hits. Sadly there is only one joke here and that is Frankie Boyle himself.

Bobby Dreamboat 5:40 pm, 23-Dec-2010

Lighten up you pricks.

Adam 5:47 pm, 23-Dec-2010

Was funny, career now over due to Tramadol Shites. Utter Utter Garbage.

jay 6:28 pm, 23-Dec-2010

Used to think he was ok. Then he started to make jokes about dead abused children at which point I decided I would happily snap his spine across my leg

Will G 9:52 pm, 23-Dec-2010

Great article, Frankie Boyle is a c-nt plain and simple. Ripping on disabled kids, is beyond the pail. He's not in the same league as Sadowitz, let alone Lenny Bruce, Hicks or people he thinks he is. He'll also be fired from C4 by mid Jan and likely to loose The Sun column also. Cue gag "What do you call a Ginger C-nt that doesn't work any more?"

adam 9:58 pm, 23-Dec-2010

He's not funny. TV 'sketch' meant to hilariously subvert our idea of the innocence of 1980s children's television merely brought horrible nuances of Jamie Bulger. Had to change channel. It wasn't funny. Bottom line.

Luke 1:31 pm, 6-Apr-2011

I'm not gonna slag off Boyle - if you like him, great, it's all very subjective after all. Just promise me that you'll go see Jerry Sadowitz the next time you can. Similar, but completely different to Boyle - he is probably more offensive - if taken at face value - but adds context - something Boyle (in my opinion) is lacking....oh, and most importantly, he is darn funny.

Jimmy C 1:44 pm, 6-Apr-2011

Well, I've just watched Frankie's 10 darkest jokes and didn't so much as smile. Obnoxious, unfunny and smug, which isn't surprising given the sycophantic chortling from his colleagues on the "show". Good piece Alexander.

Seán Flynn 1:51 pm, 6-Apr-2011

The real problem for poor Frankie right now is that we all know what to expect, and like Adam said above: "There's moments that it genuinely works and is very very funny... but to rely on offensiveness and swearing all the time... that's not comedy. That's just swearing." A lot of comedy is based on absurd juxtaposition and shock and when that is expected, well it kinda ceases to be shocking and starts drifting into offensiveness. (Analogously , this is a bit like the contrived and constipated surrealism of Ross Noble which is no longer funny because now we expect the elephant with marshmallow shoes to ambush the traffic warden or whatever....) That said, I still marvel at Boyle's put-downs. To one would-be heckler (actually an innocent audience member): "I'll abuse you so badly, you'll think I'm a friend of the family..."

Pez 2:04 pm, 6-Apr-2011

Precisely Adam... You had the choice to change the Channel. Television provides everyone with the opportunity to switch off or turn over, but apparently most of the country didn’t take it. Do you remember that “don’t try this” speech at the start of Jackass or WW(F)E… Same thing applies here. Channel 4 notified you about the offensive content before the program started about, but you chose to ignore it. Who's really in the wrong?

rob 4:14 pm, 6-Apr-2011

Watched the first episode of Tramadol Nights and found it boring and dated. Throwing in every 'taboo' cliche was a bit desperate. It made him look out of touch, seeing as he obviously thought it was shocking and edgy and hardly anyone else did.

Mark 4:44 pm, 6-Apr-2011

If you don't like a show, the best option is too switch off. Tramadol Nights started its run with 1.3 million viewers and finished with 575, 000. These figures are far more significant than the 500 who complained. There maybe schoolboys and bigots who giggle at Frankie repeating words like 'rape', 'paki' and paedo' but they're a dwindling band who aren't worth getting worked up about. I get the impression that he has kicked up this storm to deflect way from the fact he has few new jokes and will cry censorship when the show gets canned.

angsta 4:45 pm, 6-Apr-2011

He is no Bill Hicks, but who is? Funnier than 99% of the fuckwits on TV. If you find his words insulting then I suggest you leave Islington/Shoreditch more often and enter the real world. Or just take a trip to Scotland.

Kane 5:03 pm, 6-Apr-2011

Mr Boyle doesn't give a fudge whether his brand of humour offends or not, he is a comedian, comedy is a form of art, art is supposed to push bounderies. Question - what is more offensive, Frankie Boyle making fun of a disabled person as they would an able bodied person or society's view that the disabled are in some way off limits, thus alienating them further?

rob 5:40 pm, 6-Apr-2011

He's not really pushing boundaries though. That type of humour has been all over the internet for at least a decade (Sickipedia etc). If people find it funny then fair enough but it's hardly cutting edge.

d503 5:46 pm, 6-Apr-2011

You're both cunts. HTH

Tom 5:57 pm, 6-Apr-2011

Firstly, it seems quite apt that nearly every supporter of Frankie Boyle on here has used words like "fuckwits" or "pricks" to label people who are anti-Boyle. Just goes to show you have to have a lot in common with Boyle to find him funny, i.e. a limited vocabulary that doesn't extend beyond profuse and childish use of swearwords and a seemingly unecessary aggression towards other people. Secondly, I do not doubt that Frankie Boyle agrees that he is a "cunt", so why does that suddenly validate his behaviour and make it suitable to put on our televisions? And yes, I can just not watch him, but when he is paraded around ignorantly on people's shoulders as a comic genius or a great British comedic legend and constantly on television it makes it a lot harder to just ignore. Thirdly, how dare you, Kane, label anything Frankie Boyle does as "art". That word is bastardised enough in today's society let alone used to describe someone who does not "push boundaries" but is merely a petulant and abusive ex-alcoholic man-child who sniggers at his own foul-mouthed and stupid ramblings and gets paid to do it.

Mark 7:34 pm, 6-Apr-2011

I'm not a fan but I can see that this hyper offensive stuff may work in a live environment with raw reactions and plenty of interaction. Yet can anyone really argue that it works on TV. The stuff with a live audience on Tramadol Nights didn't work that well and the sketches were utterly dire. It's hardly a surprising that people were switching off in droves

Lee 9:12 pm, 6-Apr-2011

I really don't get this article. All it did was tell me that the writer doesn't like Frankie Boyle, in a really most tedious way. No entertainment value for me apart from being able to pick holes in the 'facts'. Had I not been reading it on the bog, I may not have made it to the end - when I was told that the last line about Hitler was a joke. I've re-read it, and nope, it's not a joke. Just a terrible piece of journalism.

David L 9:20 pm, 6-Apr-2011

If that £5 is still up for grabs, Mr. Netherton, I'd swear blind that Russell Howard description began life as the Daily Mash's description of Lady Gaga as a "child's drawing of Madonna".

David L 9:40 pm, 6-Apr-2011

...but I wouldn't worry too much about lifting it without due acknowledgement, if I were you. I'm fairly certain Matthew Norman over at The Independent must be thinking tonight "I'm sure I pretty much nicked that entire Frankie Boyle article I submitted today, but I can't think where from.."

Stuart M. 9:53 pm, 6-Apr-2011

Audiences should know the difference between an intelligent comedian and a bigot. Frankie Boyle's jokes may be a bit below the belt for some, but personally I find his brand of politically incorrect comedy to be witty and refreshing. I can appreciate Katie Price taking offence over the joke in question but perhaps if she didn't pimp her own children to the media in an effort to maintain her celebrity status, then maybe she wouldn't have to face negative comments about herself or her family.

Ron 3:06 am, 7-Apr-2011

The only people who find this dumbass funny are the BNP and chavs. Ain't nothing funny come out of this twat. Mock the Week was scripted anyways.

Harveys eyeballs 10:42 am, 7-Apr-2011

Crap for the sake of crap. Like I am doing now, in my pants because mummy moved the furniture again and..... Sorry I mean cause she doesnt give a fuck about me. It's all about her career profile. Cunt.

rob 4:32 pm, 7-Apr-2011

Presumably the people who find Boyle's politically incorrect humour 'witty and refreshing' would consider Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson's politically incorrect humour equally trailblazing. And using the "if she didn't court publicity then it wouldn't happen" line is similar to saying "if women go out in short skirts then they're asking for it". Katie Price may be a total cunt but that doesn't absolve people of their responsibility to think like adults. Using her cuntiness to justify their own cuntiness just puts them on the same level as her.

Stuart M. 2:04 am, 8-Apr-2011

Rob: In references to comedians like Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson, you ignored my first line. There's intelligent humour and there's bigotry. I've never heard Frankie Boyle make any racist or masogynist jokes and as he's is just as quick to take the piss out of his fellow Scots as anybody else, I wouldn't say that puts him in the same league as talentless bigots like Manning or Davidson. They have their style of humour, Frankie Boyle has his. People will choose which one they'd rather hear without other PC do-gooders deciding what is or isn't acceptable for us.

rob 9:40 am, 8-Apr-2011

I'm not saying he's racist as such, more that he picks on soft targets like disabled children. Are they a more worthy target than black people or women? I'm guessing that most people wouldn't find it funny if the disabled child was theirs, so it seems like a fairly hypocritical standpoint. Not saying people shouldn't watch it either, just saying why I don't like him. There's been loads of great British comedy that didn't rely on lame shock tactics, that's where the real talent and intelligence is.

Leyton Rocks 11:50 am, 8-Apr-2011

Does he pick on disabled children or does he use perceptions of disability like Sarah Silverman does with racist/anti-semitic themes? A genuine question for this discussion not a view one way or the other. I'm interested. I remember reading an interview with [the band] The Frogs after they got flack for their album racially yours ... wikipedia describes it better than me - [the album] included songs sung from the point of view of both blacks and whites who find themselves in various race-related situations and predicaments. The lyrics are equally serious and satirical ... I've got the album and if played without that context to a stranger it sounds racist ... #confusedbutnotwantingtocensor

Billie 4:21 pm, 10-Apr-2011

The thing about humour is that it has to be clever. Just attacking different groups the way Frankie does isn't witty, it's just irritating. However while I clearly agree with your summing of of Boyle, and also of Russell Howard, I feel I should defend Hugh Dennis who I just think is brilliant.

Jake Hanrahan 10:49 pm, 10-Apr-2011

He's not funny and he's a total cunt. He thrives on the deadpan bullshit to get shock reactions, if that's comedy then shoot me in the face. And Russell Howard is beyond bad, it's just not funny. Great article.

dekker 2:46 pm, 18-Apr-2011

boyle is a cunt. bill hicks for the chattering classes...actually no...that's far too much praise... denis leary for the chattering classes.

Robocop 3:43 pm, 20-Apr-2011

Nice to know someone feels the same as me! Most of my mates think he's hilarious, even going as far as being the favourite 'comedian' of some but I just don't find him funny. He's just harsh to anyone he sees weaker or less important than himself, which isn't comedic genius, it's something anyone can do. Not to mention the fact that he jokes about anything he wants, knowing it will offend people and does it anyway, but then apologizes!! Money talks..

Tuulia 5:24 am, 25-Apr-2011

You might be able to enjoy Frankie Boyle's humour if you didn't have such a one-eyed view of what a joke is. Although appealing to other simpletons, such as a room full of Maddies at a student party, it doesn't mean that it's the only dimension of his particular style of comedy. You sound a lot like critics of Bill Hicks before you, labelling all his fans as degenerate morons. Only a severe case of arrogance and comedy-illiteracy can make you say that the whole of Frankie Boyle's large audience consists of people who are intellectually impaired from your highly refined point of view. Boyle does present a challenge. Either you laugh because you think he's outrageous (aka if you're one of the people you find numb-brained) or because you really get the satire (people who you left out of your one-eyed article), or for both reasons, like most of us. Or then you're in the last group, the one for slow swimmers. The ones who just don't get the joke, and, this is far worse, blow it out of proportion. He's just a comedian. He's not there putting disabled children into blenders and drinking them for breakfast. He is, would you believe it, just joking.

Leyton Rocks 10:16 am, 25-Apr-2011

I think @Tuulia nails it all in those comments above ... end of the debate imo

Tom Madrid 2:30 am, 28-Apr-2011

This article is pious BS.

skinkykushmar 5:40 pm, 2-May-2011

Sadowitz is a master.

C 10:54 am, 26-Jun-2011

Frankie is a hilarious, genuinely talented and incredibly smart guy. His whole issue, though, is that with increasing popularity he panders to the crowd, who mainly know (some love) him for his 'shock material'. Ultimately, it all adds to his stage act. Still funny as fuck though.

Block123 9:47 am, 1-Jul-2011

He's just an edgy Michael McIntyre. Deeply unfunny..

The Baron 10:40 am, 1-Jul-2011

Is Robert a dinnermasher? Defending private education as he looks back on those halcyon days of playing soggy biscuit in the dorm with the rest of the chaps?

Hooverdan 1:36 pm, 1-Jul-2011

"Boyle is just a bully who picks on soft targets" Yes spot on and he has us all rolling in the armchairs every week. (Cunts)just thought I'd pop in.

Kane 2:51 pm, 1-Jul-2011

People bang on about people of disability being treated as equals, well, here is a thought, maybe stop treating them like lesser beings who need protecting and actually speak to them instead of for them and you may find that they actually are able to laugh at themselves in the same way many able bodied people are.

Killie Daft 2:55 pm, 1-Jul-2011

As an ex-pat Scotsman i am very dismayed that the Scottish even embraced a ginger comedian in the first place. Ginger hair is unacceptable!

BigRed1 3:38 pm, 1-Jul-2011

Boyle, like many of his ilk, pick on targets that they know will get them noticed - add to their image as the bad lads of the comedy cicuit. Boyle can be very funny; all too often though he can be very lazy and go for the easy gag, no matter how tasteless and unfair it may be to others. We laugh, even though we know its not right at times or even any thing more than cringe worthy drivel. Why? Perhaps its relief that he didn't pick on us? As for the real commedians of the country, look no futher than Westminster. Now those gibbering fuckers posing as a government are really funny... At least they would be if they weren't wrecking the very fabric of our society.

terry 5:09 pm, 1-Jul-2011

Hers a lazy cunt who picks on easy tagets .

Dave 11:28 pm, 1-Jul-2011

I rate Boyle quite highly although I will admit it swings between funny as fuck and just distasteful. Nothing new in that and I'd say any Comedian for anything worth a fuck hovers around that area. The thing about Jerry Sadowitz is fitting but I think you'll find he ripped off Bing Hiltler AKA Craig Ferguson in his early days and I'm quite sure that Craig would hold up his hands to ripping off Chic Murray with a slightly more aggresive and modern style. Who in turn............blah, blah, blah..........

Martin Quirk 5:26 pm, 6-Jul-2011

I've read Frankie Boyle's 'My Shit Life So Far' and it made me chuckle on average about four times on every page throughout the book. Some pages are funnier than others as are some gags and one-liners, but after reading it and watching the man who wrote it do his 'day-job', I'd have to say that Boyle is a far better writer than he is a stand-up. This article, however, didn't make me laugh once.

Varkko 12:44 pm, 7-Jul-2011

Anyone that mentions Boyle in the same breath as Bill Hicks needs to take 'a heroic dose of Psilocybin Mushrooms' and 'squeegee their third eye'. There is no comparison. And that's not because i don't like Boyle, because i do, but Hicks is comedy royalty, and his work really was art. But for all the Boyle haters out there, what would you prefer; that we risk being offended by allowing people to take comedy in whatever direction they please, or that we dismantle anyone who doesn't take the comfortable, primetime approach a la Mcintyre? Stand up comedy has to be one of the most difficult jobs in the world (which you will know if you've ever went to a comedy gig and seen someone bomb completely). The comedians stand (no pun intended) or fall based on whether people actually laugh at their material. People are obviously still laughing at Frankie, which validates his position. When they stop, i imagine we won't need to have these rambling conversations any more.

The Baron 7:05 pm, 7-Jul-2011

Rob, there's a million miles between Boyle's shite and Bernard Manning's comedy...And how dare you mention Manning in the same sentence as the wrong un Davidson. If there was ever a comedian who deserves a Benny Hill style rehabilitation, it's Bernard Manning - One of North Manchester's finest sons.

Mykill Von Doom 9:08 pm, 4-Sep-2011

Frankie Boyle - because congenitally thick, witless cunts need a laugh now and again, too.

David Bowman 2:56 pm, 24-Sep-2011

He's a working class Glaswegian, what do you expect: Jack Whitehall? TV insists on smoothing out rough edges, to put it mildly, so fuck Granny and go and see him live - he's a funny cunt.

Dan Alland 7:11 pm, 24-Sep-2011

Two things: 1. Frankie Boyle doesn't only pick on frail targets - he picks on everyone; including his own family. 2. It wasn't just the fact that the other panelists on Mock The Week were so poor, that made Frankie's name; he has great jokes and clinical timing. His fellow comics agree... Stewart Lee for example: 28 seconds in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUOGrtj2iRU This article is just jumping on the media bandwagon against Frankie Boyle; not to mention written in an overtly pompous fashion.

Nicola 11:36 pm, 24-Sep-2011

Agree with article. If you discount the shock value in boyle's comedy, there is very little left. Saw him live a few years ago and he was utterly outshone by the support act. How could labour have achieved their som of getting everyone to be above average if they didn't shove everyone through university regardless of whether it could improve their career options?

Who cares? 12:40 pm, 24-Oct-2011

Reign it in, for Christ’s sake. You could have made the same point – and with a lot less smugness – in a single paragraph. He’s offensive. We get it. You don’t approve. We get it. You’re no funnier than he is, just a lot more PC. We get it. Stop wasting our time by feeling that your condemnation is anymore relevant than anyone else’s just because it appeared on a website. And it was Terry Waite, not Waits.

Jim 2:52 am, 24-Jan-2012

My dislike of Boyle isn't because I care about the plight of disabled kids - or else why aren't I out volunteering for kid's charities every weekend? It's because picking on easy targets makes bad comedy. Good comedy is asymmetric, like terrorism; it works best when the little guy (the comedian) attacks big targets. I think Boyle considers the unwritten conventions of society (that you don't make jokes about disabled kids, paedophilia, etc) a big enough target to go for. But he's overlooked the point that while the taboo itself might be big and pervasive, the actual people he's attacking are small, and at the bottom of the pile. When he makes these jokes, I don't even laugh and then admonish myself. They just never bring a laugh out of me in the first place.

Si Richardson 11:36 am, 29-Jul-2012

Frankie Boyle ‏@frankieboyle I have an apology for the people of Britain. Sadly it's written on the end of my cock in a braille you can only read with your tonsils.

JW 11:37 am, 29-Jul-2012

There are far, far shite-er comics than Frankie Boyle around.

Jon 11:38 am, 29-Jul-2012

Boyle is for people who get aroused by crossing a line. Sad.

arnico 11:47 am, 29-Jul-2012

He sells out wherever he goes. A simple case of supply and demand. I imagine he loves the fact you refer to him as a talentless prick. Laughing all the way to the bank!

Stevo 11:53 am, 29-Jul-2012

My 9-year-old, terminally-ill daughter has Downs syndrome. Trust me, Frankie Boyle is a c*nt.

sport 12:00 pm, 29-Jul-2012

He blocked me on Twitter for saying his book wasn't worth buying. You can insult him as long as it doesn't effect his book sales/profits.

Markxist 12:33 pm, 29-Jul-2012

He makes me laugh and that's good enough for me. Do I genuinely think he believes what he says? No - because it's a joke. Incidentally I am a HUGE fan of Peter Cook - funniest man ever. His work in the 60s was simply genius and no one, no one could touch him. But really, is Frankie at his most foul mouthed and base any different to Cookie's Derek and Clive?

Si Richardson 1:59 pm, 29-Jul-2012

When did Sabotage Times start attracting Daily Mail readers?

Markxist 2:41 pm, 29-Jul-2012

@sport I think I'd be a bit pissed if someone used twitter to say 'you're not very good are you?' This is another reason I avoid twitter, I just don't see the point in things like that. No one wants t hear you've done a bad job. Imagine how you'd feel after a day's work if someone logged onto your twitter and said what you did between the hours of noon and 3 that day was shit?

themainliner 3:00 pm, 29-Jul-2012

Alexander you need to do your research yourself. Boyle didn't make a joke about Katie Price's son he made it about her. The fact that the OFCOM verdict was greeted with pretty much a 'whatever' by Channel 4 pretty much sums things up. You're proved yourself as perceptive as Jordan with this article.

sport 4:29 pm, 29-Jul-2012

@markxist I paid £12 for his book and someone on twitter asked if it was worth buying. Frankie Boyle retweeted this question therefore inviting opinions. If I invited opinion on my work I'd be surprised if everyone liked it. I like his stand up act, but his book is only thing associated with him with less laughs than Tramadol Nights

Markxist 6:33 pm, 29-Jul-2012

@sport, that does sound rather over sensitive of him then, but then it depends what context it was in I guess and how it was phrased. Sometimes someone's manner and meaning is hard to get across on the net. Looks like he thought you were being hateful. Re Tramadol Nights, I think the big problem there was that it wasn't new material - if it was I think people would have a higher opinion of it.

Markxist 6:34 pm, 29-Jul-2012

@Kane, a very valid point there. I agree

sport 6:51 pm, 29-Jul-2012

@markxist Me being hateful, haha I wasn't but isn't that his stock in trade. I didn't mind seeing the old jokes again on Tramadol(they were still funny) but the sketches were truly awful, then again most sketch shows are awful.

Eddie Welthorpe 8:04 pm, 29-Jul-2012

Fuck me you silly cunts, watching telly comedians is a dead end. Get out into the world, there are a billion plus funny people.

Markxist 9:26 pm, 29-Jul-2012

@sport, don't get me wrong, I wasn't calling your action 'hateful' but suggesting maybe he saw it as such...but yeah, you think he'd be able to give and take it even if you were. Oh well

Bramleymark1 11:55 am, 30-Jul-2012

I liked frankie boyle when he first appeared on the scene, fresh and different. Now i am not so keen. His comedy is offensive, but it is not why i dont like him as much now, though it does contribute. I stopped liking him when it seemed he started using smae material from Mock the Week on his videos and vice versa. For someone who is supposed to be at the cutting edge of comedy this is laziness at an olympic level.His new stuff may be different, but, the dye was set.

Cee 11:13 am, 31-Jul-2012

I can see it! Not too long from now either. Visualise Jake Lamotta in a dingy nightclub owned by himself as no-one would take his shows. Thats oor Frankie, you can see it can't you? Booze/Tramadol freak and no longer the hero of offense comedy. Got to feel sorry for someone who thinks he'll always have the millions of £s and sheep followers who resemble the guys who follow the bully in the schoolyard but secretly are waiting for the next bully to follow thus leaving behind the 1st bully who is all alone. Aw .. you've got to feel sorry for him? No? Oh, ok ...

tony coffey 3:45 pm, 31-Jul-2012

Boyle annoys me. Certainly talented he spunks that talent away by turning his wit to the heady topics of 'You've got AIDs', 'You're a Paedo' and 'You're the Paedo that gave HIM AIDs.' Jesus Christ man. This is how you get your own show? Tramadol Nights was an abject lesson in how bad Channel 4 can be. Sketches that would have been out of place 20 years ago filling up large sections of nothingness. 'Wouldn't it be funny if KITT was a bit lippy?' Yeah, it would have been. If I was nine and I was still at school. I'm not saying every act has to be ground-breaking and thoughtful. But at least show a bit of inventiveness. That said. I would rather watch Frankie Boyle burrow his career into the ground for the rest of eternity than watch a single second that no-joke-comediann Jack Whitehall crop up on another panel/stand up show ever again. For info. I never went to Uni and have no idea what a 2.1 is.

Max Finlay 9:55 am, 16-Aug-2012

I find the bloke funny, genuinely very funny but he can't take what he gives. Here's what he blocked me for after he said: "It's my 40th birthday tomorrow and I have to say I'm not dreading it! I'm dreading death." to which I replied: "happy birthday Frankie. So basically you are dreading tomorrow then." But making fun of real children with Down's Syndrome is fair game them? Funny but a fucking hypocrite.

X 1:17 am, 28-Aug-2012

Who the hell was stupid enough to publish this crap on their website?!?! This is just an uneducated rant by some guy who clearly has a chip on his shoulder about not going to university or, if he did, he got a 2.2. If I wanted to read this I would buy the Sun, or I would get Twitter. What the hell has university got to do with comedy? You don't have to be a uni student to be stand-up comedian; it’s just slightly more likely because uni students tend to be both intelligent and articulate. Frankie is a hit and miss comedian, but when he's on the top of his game he's unstoppable. This article complains about a supposedly rude, witless comedian......... with an unstructured, laboured, boring, unsubstantiated rant. Is it just me that sees the irony in this? Having had a brief look through your misogynistic, complaining, self-pitying, aggressive writing material on this website I guess I shouldn't be surprised by such poor quality. This material clearly marks you out as the c*nt that you so readily accuse other people of being.

Max Finlay 10:30 am, 29-Aug-2012

You obviously never saw Tramadol Nights then. Also you wouldn't get this article if you bought The Sun, Frankie writes a column there.

Ross 1:24 am, 1-Oct-2012

I've never come across a comedian whose jokes do not sometimes fall flat on their faces. There is always dead parts of a set. One of Boyle's main problems is over-exposure. He doesn't need to do several books, weekly articles, stand-up, twitter and a tv-show. If he cuts some of that out and spends more time on less books and one really good tv show, his on-stage persona of a half-drunk bigotted Glaswegian titilated by selacious tabloid news stories would work better because there would not be so much oppertunity to become so familiar with it and therefore viewers would not so easily fall into the trap of believing that is his true personality, which in turn leads people to think that if he makes a joke about Harvey Price then disabled people are being bullied, rather than satirising the banal, vacuous glamour/reality-tv industry is not the joke's target, which in fact it was. If you see him interviewed talking about non-comic issues or meet him it becomes quite clear that his default personailty is exteremely different to the perception most of the commentators have of him. The difference is like the difference between Al Murray and his pub-landlord character, but because Boyle doesn't have a costume or a prop, people assume that's 100% just him and if he makes a joke about child-abuse it's because he thinks we're all too soft and should lighten up about child abuse, which is clearly nonsense if you have any sort of ability to analyse comic techniques. People make the same mistake with Anthony Jeselnic sometimes.

Pete 8:15 pm, 4-Dec-2012

I'm sorry but all that matters when it comes to comedy. JHe is not funny is does it make you laugh and Frankie Boyle doesn't do it

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Kevin 2:15 am, 14-Jan-2013

Blah, blah, blah. Wha, wah, wah. Go quench your thirst for a routine about a 'man drawer' and leave the satire for us grown ups, eh?

Beccs 11:23 am, 20-Jan-2013

I love Stewart Lee

Simon 1:38 am, 26-Mar-2013

He's a c*nt, nothing more and nothing less. Any idiot can be gratuitously offensive and and insult those who can't defend themselves, that doesn't take talent. He's right up there with Jimmy Saville for creepiness and general disgustingness - and shares a lot in common in many ways.

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