A Five Pint Philosopher With Little To Say: John Lydon On Question Time
He might be famous for being outspoken, but the ex-Sex Pistol brought very little to the table during his appearance alongside Louise Mensch...

Special guest stars. Dramatic showdowns. Breath-taking cliff-hangers. There are all sorts of great tricks that TV producers can pull to get the viewers tuning in for the final episode of a long-running series. However, with the recent shake-up of the BBC, it seems as though some of those rules that usually govern the drama department have been applied to the factual team, as Question Time ended its summer run with the promise of an explosive finale.
Poor old Ed Davey, Dominic Lawson and Alan Johnson were pretty much relegated to supporting roles, as the stars of the show were clearly John Lydon and Louise Mensch. But anyone expecting a knock-down, drag-out battle to the death will have been sorely disappointed. Maybe the announcer raised our expectations unreasonably by gravely intoning that “tonight’s programme features some strong language.” As it was, all we got was one twat. Saying the word ‘twat’.
As much as I wanted to cheer on John Lydon, bringing his anarchic idiosyncrasies to panel of stuffed shirts, the reality was somewhat anticlimactic. When he wasn’t putting the world to rights with all the wit and insight of a five-pint philosopher, he was pausing to say ‘right?’ after every five words. As though the astonishing clarity of his wisdom was in danger of losing us, unless he constantly checked that we were able to keep up. The one stand-out moment of his appearance, was referring to the Barclays rate-fixing as “shenanigans” – as though cheating the country was akin to a pair of hapless removalists trying to get a piano up a flight of stairs.
When he wasn’t putting the world to rights with all the wit and insight of a five-pint philosopher, he was pausing to say ‘right?’ after every five words
Like a cross between the haughty Pandora Braithwaite, and Sylvestra Le Touzel in that classic Heineken ‘elocution’ ad, Mensch sighed, rolled her eyes, and flicked her hair melodramatically throughout the hour, as though she was in the early stages of demonic possession. To be honest, I was surprised that she managed to last the full sixty minutes, since a hearty exchange of views isn’t really her bag. I half expected her to secede from the panel half-way through and announce that she was setting up an alternative debate in the broom cupboard, where she’d be submitting the questions, deciding on the answers, and moderating the exchange. Oh, and vetting the audience to decide who gets to watch. I don’t know why, but I imagine she spent most of her childhood birthday parties staring out of the window wondering if anyone was going to turn up.
Equally surprising, was her swift admission that “crimes have clearly been committed”, when discussing the Diamond debacle. Alan Johnson, meanwhile, cautioned against referring to the incidents as ‘crimes’, preferring the term “serious unlawful conduct” – an obfuscation which marked him out as a “comprehensive lady part”.
With one of those magnetic arthritis bracelets wrapped around his neck, and a unisex blouse that was open to the waist, Lydon spent most of the show growling his disdain for the other panelists. The initial novelty of his presence on the show soon waned, once the audience members had to tell him to shut up. In the end, only Dimbleby had the right blend of patience and gravitas to control his random outbursts, carefully explaining the format as though he was addressing a child with ADHD.
Dimbleby gamely tried to pretend that the strongest thing to pass the former Pistol’s lips was an unfiltered Capstan
As for the rest of the show, it was very much business as usual. There were the curiously agitated audience members, who started off well once they’d earned the right to speak, but seemed to lose their point halfway through. And plenty of awkward silences, as they waited to see if their observation would be met with a smattering of approving applause. Most of the comments were anodyne variations on a classic Onion op-ed piece, entitled “Someone should do something about all the problems,” save for one confused old man who predictably got immigrants and asylum-seekers all mixed up.
The real highlight came in the final section, when a question was asked about the ‘war on drugs’. As the audience held its breath, waiting for Lydon to explode, Dimbleby gamely tried to pretend that the strongest thing to pass the former Pistol’s lips was an unfiltered Capstan. Instead, it was Mensch who decided to talk about her own experiences with Class A drugs, although she pointedly refused to name which ones she’d used for fear of ‘glorifying them and making them more popular’. Bless her – the only thing she’s ever made cool is baseless misogyny. And even that was short-lived.
After much talk of how drugs “messed with [her] head” Louise argued against their legalisation; the implication being that she’s smart and mature enough to use them, but the same rules shouldn’t apply for the rest of the population.
The final line of the show went, unsurprisingly, to Lydon, who shut down a comment about Ian Brady wanting the right to starve himself, by saying “We don’t do things to be wicked.” Except E’s, maybe.
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COMMENTS
Well, what do you expect - he sells butter now for fuck sake
I remember a pissed Paul Heaton being a similar washout on the same programme.
QT has been a tired format for some time. Hired clowns won't save it.
I'm assuming “messed with [her] head”, actually means "made my chin massive"?
I thought Louise Mensch looked reasonably fit (for a shitbag tory). I'm not saying I'd want to shag her, I wouldn't want to give her that much pleasure.
I'd still rather have Lydon on QT if it means not having that lying prick Kelvin MacKenzie on my telly again.
Would rather listen to him than those other boring wind bags.
I never thought I'd defend a tory, but Lydon was a total shitbag to her, pretty much shouting her down, claiming she's lied about taking a Class A and ludicrously trying to play to the gallery as a working class boy from Stepney (not mentioning that he's lived in LA for the last 20 yrs) That crap about how it's ok for us working classes to take drugs if we want because we all look out for each other was just as ridiculous, offensively stupid, naive and out of touch as any right wing senile chunnering from a Daily Mail reading ret'd General, which just goes to show ignorant stupidity can cross the class divide easily.
@Robin I agree. perversely. I probably would, safe in the knowledge that she would get precious little pleasure out of it.
@Ryan H - weirdly enough, all of JL's 'man of the people' pandering actually made me think of Kelvin macKenzie and all his tabloid populist posturing. @Markxist - I agree, she was the one he didn't grimace a smile at, when criticised for talking over people. @TonyL - That sentence reads a little bit rapey, unless you're being self-deprecating about your capabilities. Hoping it's that. Unlike @Robin, who can clearly curl toes from twenty paces. Thanks all for your comments.
he's had nothing useful to say for a great many years - always more volume than substance. walk into any public house in the land and you'll find plenty of "outspoken" people with nothing much to say. a long-dead pop career wouldn't make them any more engaging, and it certainly doesn't for lydon.
the trouble with John is he thinks if you speak louder and over people you clearly have something more important to say than everyone else..Something he has learnt from David Cameron..The sad thing was it was all noise no substance. He used to be important, but now he's getting fat on the butter mountain
He's always been a tantrumming child. Once, it was important to throw toys out the pram. Now, he just looks like a total bellend.
He was constantly talking over people and when he started to do this to the audience when they were trying to ask a question I turned it over. Celebrities can be good on this show sometimes. After seeing Griff Rhys Jones on it the other week, I'm scrubbing out all the other names on my ballot paper and adding his
On 2nd thoughts, an unpredictable court jester might work, if QT was live. But it's edited and sanitised ("shitstorm" never made it) so what is the point? Maybe trying to shake up the format. So conditioned are we, to the politico/media class just patting it down the track, we are stirred and shaken by a KP-like Lydon, whirling his bat and swatting everything that moved. He might have got stumped, but at least he had a go ... Oh, and he's got a new album out. Coincidence, already!
QT has failed this country for years.Ultra leftist luvvies in the audience and not enough "real people" from the left and right to let the panel know what the public feel about issues such as unemployment,lack of hope for kids,crime and immigration for example. Dimbleby also thinks he's the star of the show rather than the panel.
@Mitchy67, I agree it is time Dimbleby retired, he's useless. It was the late Tony Wilson's ambition to host QT, a shame a true punk era musical pioneer never got the chance to be part of it really


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