Manchester United: How The Diving Debate Has Proved Gary Neville Is The Best Pundit Around
He was detested by a lot of people when he was at Manchester United, but Gary Neville's astute summary of diving in football is the latest example of why he is the best pundit there is...

He was detested by a lot of people when he was at Manchester United, but Gary Neville’s astute summary of diving in football is the latest example of why he is the best pundit there is…
Gary Neville is fast becoming my favourite television football analyst. Granted, there isn’t too much in the way of opposition but he is so far ahead of anyone else in terms of giving real technical insight and straight talking opinions, he puts the rest to shame.
That said, I can’t help but love Roy Keane’s acid tongued honesty, too. If there’s one thing Keane can’t be accused of, it’s sitting on the fence. The way he puts Gareth Southgate in his place when he’s trying to be diplomatic puts me in mind of my bastard of an English teacher whenever one of us decided to offer any opinion on Shakespeare at school. Keane shoots him a look of disdain and batters him back down into his place with a statement that’s meant to be as final as contracting the Ebola virus. Southgate giggles nervously and Chiles moves the discussion on.
In less than twelve months, Neville has morphed from a veritable hate figure outside the walls of Old Trafford into one of the most respected faces of Premier League coverage. Even if you still hate him, you can’t deny his ability to point out the less obvious nuances of the game.
Not afraid to leave the comfort of his seat to demonstrate how a defender should position himself in a 1 v 1 duel or even show old clips from his own career on how not to defend, Neville is putting his starch stiffened peers to shame. His vocabulary even stretches beyond the two staples by all BBC pundits, “sensational” and “diabolical”, to describe the action.
I can’t help but liken in him to the ex-England cricket captain, Michael Atherton, in that it has surprised me how much I enjoy listening to him. Despite both of them coming across as less than jovial characters during their playing careers, they articulate their points with great clarity and a brutal honesty. True, Atherton may be the more cerebral of the two but Neville’s lack of waffle is probably one of his greatest assets.
I’d heard many people within the game extolling Neville’s impressive knowledge of the game but I never honestly thought he’d have the wherewithal to put his points across as well as he does. It’s got the stage now where I actually make a point of catching his pre-match preachings. His appeal reaches further than just you’re average man in the stand. Tuesday mornings are always spent picking the bones out of whatever topic Neville has got his teeth into the night before. And that’s the key to his popularity. You believe everything he’s telling you. With Neville, there’s no predetermined agenda or any attempt to protect old comrades. His view is the undiluted truth.
I’d heard many people within the game extolling Neville’s impressive knowledge of the game but I never honestly thought he’d have the wherewithal to put his points across as well as he does.
They way he dealt with the Ashley Young issue this week was as spot on as you’re going to get. He rationalised a subject which has increasingly become the focus of the pitch forked campaigners who see their protests as an attempt to drive the “cheats” from our game. He laid it down in plain and simple terms, without the up-in-arms, “that’s a disgrace” gesturing of dinosaurs who have lost touch with the game.
I can’t stand the holier than thou attitude that diving wouldn’t be tolerated in their day. Well, here’s the newsflash: it’s not 1976 anymore. I dare say, they’re only speaking the truth but just as it may be unlikely that Graeme Souness would go down easily in the box if he was playing today, I’d be even less inclined to black-up my face and sing songs from Al Jolsons greatest hits. Times have moved on. Then again, I suppose going over the top of the ball and amputating an opponents leg from the knee down is acceptable, eh, Graeme?
Just as Neville was reluctant to label Ashley Young a cheat, I’m prone to feeling exactly the same way. “Cheat” is a very strong word. However ridiculous Young’s dive might have been, there’s a big difference between talking advantage of a defender’s stray leg and, say, a player who has taken performance enhancing drugs.
Just as Neville was reluctant to label Ashley Young a cheat, I’m prone to feeling exactly the same way. “Cheat” is a very strong word.
Some may disagree but this is a professional sport where peoples livelihoods and millions of pounds are at stake. The difference between relegation and survival could mean the difference between jobs being lost or saved so can you blame a player for trying to gain any advantage he can? I mean, what lengths would you go to to keep hold of your job?
What Ashley Young did wasn’t cheating, he was merely taking advantage of the defender’s lack of experience. If there is one thing Young is guilty of, despite his recent success at winning penalties, it’s that he’s actually not that good at it. He’s far too dramatic and makes it all too obvious, especially with the way his legs split in mid-air. Their movement is totally unnatural and should be an immediate tell-tale sign to the referee that he’s dived.
The act of winning penalties has become an art, an art which has progressed to Oscar winning standards so if you are going to do it, at least make sure you’re convincing. It’s no longer enough just to go over easily under the merest hint of a challenge. Players actually kick out a leg towards the defender to ensure contact is definitely mate. But is it cheating, or is it being clever?
I actually know a lot of people who would call it clever. Most other nations around the world see it as a part of the game, almost a skill and so should we. We shouldn’t look at it as conning the referee but a form of oneupmanship against your opponent. Whilst playing in Denmark, I would go blue in the face trying to convince them that our view of winning in the right manner or not at all, is the way that sport should be played. Eventually, after years of seeing us taken advantage of by “cleverer” nations, I tend to side with them now. It’s not a case of if you can’t beat them, join them, either. It’s a simple fact that for too long we have been taken for mugs.
We don’t live in an age of corinthian values or hold true to those of the olympians of ancient Greece. With so much at stake in modern football, wouldn’t you want your players to do everything within their powers to bring success to your club?
The ethics behind amateur sports are indeed noble but that’s the thing. We don’t play for free and the fans don’t watch for free so why do we still cling on to these ideals of yesterday? If you want fair play and gentlemanly conduct every time you enter the field of play, go and play crown green bowls.
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Completely agree.
Completely disagree. In case you had forgotten, diving (or 'simulation' as it's officially called) is a yellow card offence and against the laws of football. So even officially, diving IS cheating. In any case, in my opinion it is an undesirable aspect of the game, modern or otherwise, and consistent offenders should be disciplined, retrospectively and on video evidence if necessary. That said, if we had a few more decent referees we wouldn't be having this debate.
Nah....he's still tw*t! And Ashley dived and that's cheating.....simples
DaDon, completely agree with you. We need to cut out terms such as 'simulation' or 'going down easily' (save that for Rio's round-ups at the Christmas parties) and call it what it has always been called: DIVING. It is cheating, it's embarrassing to watch and it is having a detrimental effect on the game as players are no longer looking to necessarily get into shooting positions if they can get in the box and win a penalty. And, if we accept it as part of the game and just a way to get one up on an opponent, why do we not accept hacking down a striker when through on goal to stop him scoring? It's done for the same reason. Or to take it to it's unnatural conclusion, why not just condone breaking the leg of a team's star player? This would give you an advantage for the best part of the season, not just one game.
Cheat is like Suarez, when no one even touch him he fell. Young is making sure that official see it as many occasionally miss by them. DaDon is a cheating on himself that for sure.
And I don't go for this "but there was contact" bollocks - football is a contact sport, if the contact is sufficient to impede you or make you fall over then it's a foul. Could the authorities' lack of intervention in this matter be part of a bigger plan to make the game non-contact? *pulls cloak over face, leaves*
Dave, I agree with your first few paragraphs about Gary Neville - a revelation! It just proves that people assume they know someone because of how they appear as a player on a football pitch or in a few a few after match interviews that are inherently incorrect. Secondly, Ashley Young WAS cheating when he dived.It cost us our Premier League survival in 1998 when we were chetade out of 3 points in similar circumstances, so how you can say you would do anything to hold onto your job doesn't hold water - we must try and uphold the values of sportsmanship and move back towards ethics and fairness so that football isn't simply a business whereby anything is done to 'stiff' the opposition. We watch because we want to believe we have a fair chance of getting a result no matter who we are playing, not how big their bank balnce is. Good read though, thanks for your time at Barnsley and good luck for the future! Chris
It is still tough to get a penalty, obviously there are fouls in the box, but it seems as most refs only reward "hard" fouls, so if you're blocked, if your held back, hand on jersey, those are fouls and those won't be called. Now the Young PENS are really soft fouls and surprising that they were given but you have to take the whole lot. Soft fouls, diving, hard fouls that aren't called, it's all decided by the ref, if you want a better quality of PENS called then you need better refs.
He seems like a genuine bloke and Ive heard many Liverpool fans singing his praises as a pundit. He knows EVERYTHING about defending as well.
Great read, I agree on Neville. The only way to stamp out diving is video technology. Ref gives pen, opposing defenders intimate he dived and it goes to the video ref. Its amazing that a sport drowning in cash at the top still hasn't done it.
Owen, I agree but I have a conspiracy theory (I briefly mentioned it above - but stay with me) on why nothing is being done about diving and why nothing will be done, because FIFA (or certainly Platini at UEFA at least) want the game to become non-contact. So, by trivialising diving and trying to engender an attitude of 'if there is contact then you have every right to go down' does this not seem like the first steps towards making football a non-contact sport? And if anyone's idea of a footballing utopia is two teams passing each other to death with not a single hard tackle flying in then they should start watching netball or something shit and leave the game alone.
despite this article, i still think ashley young is a cheat. 2 games in a row?? and he really is bad at it. and 'DaDan', suarez is not a cheat. you obviously believe the condemnation that the media place on him, and the fucked up antics of manu. JFT96. YNWA.
@istanbul05. Suarez is a cheat. And a racist cheat at that. The worst kind. And no I don't believe the condemnation the media place on him. But I do believe the independent report that proved he was and always will be a c*nt. Now if you'll excuse me I have to get back to watching my teams f*cked up antics. 20-18
Diving is cheating and disgusting! Do we want to see a game where all the goals are from the spot? No! we want these well paid players to pass the defenders and score a goal to remember. Just make it a red for diving. It will stop it in it's tracks. It will mean just another reason for us to get upset with the poor refs but it will improve the game! There is nothing i hate more than players that roll around like they have been shot. When players are dropping dead on the pitches the last thing we need are players acting hurt.
When has Ashley Young ever dived. There was toe to toe contact!!!!


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