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Newcastle Greatest Fan's Xl v Sunderland Greatest Fan's Xl

To celebrate the Tyne-Wear derby tactics supremo Jonathan Wilson picks his all-time Sunderland dream team to face Viz founder Chris Donald's Newcastle United galacticos. But who will win?

To celebrate the Tyne-Wear derby we’re revisiting when tactics supremo Jonathan Wilson picked his all-time Sunderland dream team to face Viz founder Chris Donald’s Newcastle United galactic  But who won?

Sunderland Greatest XI

GK: Ned Doig

He cost Sunderland a two-point penalty on arrival from Arbroath in 1890 as he was still registered with Blackburn, and was said to be so sensitive about his lack of hair that if his cap fell off he’d retrieve it rather than follow the ball, but he was still worth it. He won four championships with Sunderland, was a Scotland international and for much of the 1890s was the best goalkeeper in the world. 10

RB: Alex Hall

There is a fine tradition of Sunderland right-backs who shun goals (Chris Makin and John Kay being modern incarnations; even Phil Bardsley moved to left-back before getting his first goal in 108 league games), but it was begun by Hall, who scored only once in 233 appearances. Capable of playing on either side, he was a regular in the 1935-36 Championship season and the FA Cup run a year later. 7

CB: Charlie Hurley

Hurley was voted Sunderland’s player of the 20th century (admittedly in 1979, but it’s hard to imagine he’d have lost the vote 21 years later) and stands as the embodiment of all that Wearside respects. He was brave and tough and gentlemanly, a towering presence in both boxes and, as Brian Clough noted after his first training session at Sunderland, he could pass a ball as well. 10

CB: Sandy McAllister

A former coal-miner, he wasn’t the tallest, but he was stocky and courageous, and an ever-present in the 1902 title-winning side. He was so popular with fans that when he scored his first goal for the club (he only got 5 in 225 games) they presented him with a gold watch and a piano. He died from foods poisoning while serving with the Northumberland Fusiliers during the First World War. 8

LB: Ernie England

A hard-as-nails full-back who played on the ‘wrong side’, England delighted in shepherding wingers inside and then sliding in with his stronger foot. He was an ever-present in the side that finished runners-up behind Liverpool in 1922-23. 7

DMC: Charlie Thomson

Thomson was an established Scotland international who had won two Cups with Hearts when he arrived on Wearside. He captained Sunderland for seven years during which time they never finished lower than eighth, and clinched the title in 1912-13. His reputation – and his bristling moustache – suggest he could look after himself, but he was also a fine ball-playing centre-half. 9

DMC: Hughie Wilson

Wilson was the classic old-style half-back, and aggressive tackler who could also pass a ball. He played in Sunderland’s first League game, in the first game at Roker Park, and was the first Sunderland player sent-off. He won three titles, the third of them as caption, and his one-handed long throws were so effective the FA outlawed them. 9

AMR: Charlie Buchan

Only Gurney has scored more goals for Sunderland than Buchan, but he was as much a creator as a finisher, a tricky inside-right of dazzlingly quick feet and brain. He joined Arsenal after leaving Sunderland and there devised the W-M formation in conjunction with Herbert Chapman. 10

AMC: Raich Carter

Calm and intelligent, Carter was a goalscoring inside-forward, the captain and inspiration of the 1935-36 title-winning side and the team that won the FA Cup a year later. A regular England international, he lost several years to the War, but inspired Derby to the FA Cup in 1946. 10

AML: Len Shackleton

Shackleton was a magician, an impish showman of such virtuosity that at half-time in one game he kicked a ball to a referee who had annoyed him, but loaded it with so much spin that as the official bent down to pick it up, it rolled back to him. An anti-authoritarian streak cost him the chance of more than five England caps, but technique and eye for a pass made him a huge favourite on Wearside. 9

CF: Bobby Gurney

In his first game for Sunderland reserves, Gurney scored nine, and the goals never really stopped. Tough and quick and a supreme finisher, he remains Sunderland’s highest scorer of all time, rattling in 12 hat-tricks (two of them fours) in his 22 years at the club. He was top-scorer in the title season of 1935-36, and got three equaliser in the AF Cup final win over Preston the following year. 9

Manager: Tom Watson

Only four managers in the history of the English game have ever won the league with two different sides; only one has ever won it twice with both his teams. Watson created the great Sunderland side that won three league titles in the early-mid 1890s, and then went a built a new team at Liverpool. A forgotten genius. 10

Total: 104

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Newcastle Greatest XI

GK - Shay Given

Played for the Mackems on loan when he was at Blackburn in the mid-90s, but all that was forgiven when he signed for us. Saved innumerable games for us with his brilliant shot-stopping. Shay would have walked into the England team if he’d been English. Over 350 appearances in 12 years at the club. Arguably the most consistent keeper in the Premiership in his time at United, currently wasted on the Man City bench. 8

RB - Bill McCracken

Irishman Bill McCracken’s famous offside trap was so good in 1925 they changed the rules. Captained his club and country, 377 league appearances for Newcastle, winning three league titles and getting us to three FA Cup finals. Tidy defender. Away fans hated him, Geordies loved him. That’s how it should be. 9

LB - Frank Hudspeth

You couldn’t pick McCracken without also picking his defensive partner Frank Hudspeth. A proper Geordie, his first club was Scotswood. He played more games for Newcastle than any other outfield player - 482 appearances in total between 1910 and 1929.  Chipped in with 38 goals as well. 8

SWEEPER - Bobby Moncur

Defensive stalwart in the sixties and seventies, captained the 1969 Fairs Cup winning team (and knocked in a hat trick in the final just for good measure). Captained United and Scotland too. Spent his twilight years at Joker Park working on his pension fund, but nobody’s perfect. A talented all-rounder, Bobby plays golf and does a bit of sailing too. 8

CH - Jonathan Woodgate

I’m taking a chance here, cos he might well be injured. Only managed a handful of games for us, but I’ll tell you what. He never put a foot wrong when he did actually make it onto the pitch. I sat and watched him one game, all the way through, and he never even broke sweat. Positioning, awareness, reading of the game - brilliant.  Just a shame he was such a crock. 7

CM - Joe Harvey (Captain)

Right-half in his time, I’d pick Joe to play a holding midfield role and to boss the entire game. A great leader both as captain of the fifties FA Cup winning teams and then as manager of the Fairs Cup winning side, he’d run the show. And he’d share his tabs with the other players at half-time. 9

CM - Paul Gascoigne

Mercurial, magic and absolutely mental. At his young, chubby best he was unbelievable. A daft Geordie lad who loved playing football and happened to be better at it than anyone else in the world. He’d need looking after on and off the pitch, but Joe Harvey and Alan Shearer can do that. 10

LM - David Ginola

“David who?” James Brown asked me when we signed him in 1995. “I dunno” I said. But we soon found out. A bit of a ponce if the truth be told, but what a player. His home debut against Middlesborough was simply unbelievable.  Bit of a lazy twat as well - Bill McCracken won’t get much cover from him - but an affordable luxury with such a solid defence behind him. 6

RM - Alan Shearer

There’s no room for him up front,  but I can’t omit Alan Shearer from the side. So I’ll play him in right midfield. One of the best crossers of a ball I’ve ever seen - witness Les Ferdinand’s goal in the 5-0 thrashing of man United - it was just a shame Shearer couldn’t get on the end of his own crosses. His heart is black and white, you could play him anywhere in the side. 10

CF - Jackie Milburn

I never saw him play but I saw his house  - my Dad used to point it out every time we drove past it. 494 appearances and 239 goals between the war and 1957. Three FA Cup winners medals.  I think Shearer pipped him in the end for his goals tally, but Wor Jackie remains the all-time legend so I’ll give him the number 9 shirt. 10

FW - Peter Beardsley

A girl who used to work for me grew up in the same street as Beardsley. “All he ever did when he was a kid was eat sweets and kick a ball against a wall, for hours on end”, she told me. And it shows. Terrible teeth but a magical touch, Absolute footballing genius, scorer of brilliant goals, and the perfect foil for a big striker. And the fourth born Geordie in my team. 9 (loses a point
for his physical appearance).

Manager - Kevin Keegan

Couldn’t choose him as a player because we didn’t see the best of him in his boots, but as a manager he lifted the club from dire straits to the very verge of the Premiership title, and he brought brilliant players and brilliant football to the Toon. Couldn’t organise a defence to save his life, but with the team I’ve chosen defence won’t be a problem, and neither will attacking. 9

Total: 102

Final Score: Sunderland 104 - 102 Newcastle

A two point win for Sunderland even without Brian Clough who was omitted because he said he should be worth 11. Played on a misty-night at the neutral Ayresome Park, Sunderland go goal bananas in the first half, with Bobby Gurney bagging a hat-trick and Len Shackleton netting a long-range howitzer. Keegan shuffles the formation at half-time, bringing Shearer up top with Milburn and dropping Beardlsey in behind. With the mostly pre-war Sunderland side running out of breath on account of the Capstan and Woodbines doled out at half-time to ‘keep bloody cold oot,” Shearer and Milburn hit it off like Ant and Dec and bag a brace each as Ginola, Beardsley and Gazza rip into the blowing Mackems. 4-4 with ten minutes left, Gazza dinks a ball over the top for Ginola, who hits a volley of such venom that it clatters off the crossbar, rebounds downfield, hits Gurney on the back of the head and bounces over Given. Probably.

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Baron Westoe 11:09 am, 15-Jan-2011

As we all know our well balanced friends ( chips on both shoulders )from Wearside have a history of comimg off 2nd best, both on and off the field, never mind the fashion stakes. Sunderland (being polite) was probably the only town in the country not to embrace the casual culture in the late 70s early 80's. L.A.L.A.S

Sir Danvers Carew, 3rd Earl of Penshaw, Duke of Durham and surrounding Fifedoms (including the dreary Tyneside) 1:07 pm, 15-Jan-2011

The use of the collective 'we' demonstrates a lack of insight. You seems to be proffering as view that to follow a trend and conform is a negative, a la 'casual culture.' Behave oneself, young man! We are unique! WE ARE the PEOPLE! Read up on the time we rocked your boat at North Shields, bonny lad! FTM!

Sir Danvers Carew, 3rd Earl of Penshaw, Duke of Durham and surrounding Fifedoms (including the dreary Tyneside) 1:10 pm, 15-Jan-2011

2 - 0 to the gloriou, Magic Mackems on Sunday, sunshine! Alan Smith to be sent from the filed - again - and a long, quiet traipse home to the dwellings for you. Never fear, you can forget all about it the next week when Bale hands you your (and Enrique Geordio's) ass on a plate as Spurs yid you by 3!

Chris Donald 3:36 pm, 15-Jan-2011

You've counted wrong. You've got five Geordies in your team. Hudspeth, Gazza, Pedro, Shearer and Milburn.

Chris Donald 3:37 pm, 15-Jan-2011

So I have. Sorry.

kingkerouac 4:28 pm, 15-Jan-2011

Let's all shake hands before the game and behave like gentlemen to the end. If the 'Black Cats' (snigger) can't win this, old 'Scenty Bottle Bruce' will have some explaining to do.

Baron Westoe 8:16 am, 16-Jan-2011

Sir Danvers, your comment "we rocked your boat ...." shows you have no knowledge of this side of things. Stick to your land of Prince Bishops, and thanks for the young man tag, a number of years have elapsed since i was last called that. Tally Ho!

Chris Donald 5:26 pm, 25-Jan-2011

Ginola's home debut was against Coventry.

Chris Donald 5:26 pm, 25-Jan-2011

Oh shit. I could have sworn it was Boro.

Baron Westoe 9:25 am, 30-Jan-2011

Chris, First league game was at home to Coventry I think, memory not what is was but i would say 3 - 0 with Big Les scoring the 3rd.

SparkyToon 9:47 am, 20-Aug-2011

When king george gave newcastle the shipping rights for coal as reward of our good work defending borders for the crown against the marauding scots…it took a town of scum to side with the invaders of the northlands to try and usurp the geordie loyalists by inviting them into the river wear and siding with the wild men to invade from the south. The battle of boldon was fought and won by georges men. The scots and their newly associated vermin friends were sent packing. The townsfolk who betrayed england were ostracised for treason…forever cast ‘ASUNDER’…a new town was born. Sunderland, you betrayed your king and country. SMB. Let’s do our CITY proud and turn these scumbags over. HOWAY THE LADS!!!!

rab 9:55 am, 20-Aug-2011

Ginola, wtf, Waddle, Robeldo both would get 9 or ten so why Ginola

nufc4eva 9:58 am, 20-Aug-2011

If youre doing greatest ever eleven, Ginola would be dropped for Bobby mitchell and Newcastle would win 106-104

Danny 10:04 am, 20-Aug-2011

Newcastle easily

mark 10:30 am, 20-Aug-2011

sir danvers u know nothing about north shields if u did u would,nt of brought it up u numpty

Aethon 10:32 am, 20-Aug-2011

what a load of crap

Lyle 10:34 am, 20-Aug-2011

And then you woke up and it was all just a dream based on wishful and fanciful thinking.

Jim 11:23 am, 20-Aug-2011

I don't know how you could leave Len White out of Newcastle team.

Maxim Ilushenkov 8:44 am, 1-May-2013

I like the article and the Sunderland victory :-) Very good line-ups and well done for the research, some of the players played so long ago it really is hard to find decent information about them. It's good to see a lot of representatives for the "Team of All Talents", after all, it was the greatest team Sunderland ever had. I would suggest two changes in the Sunderland line-up: *The greatest right-back in my opinion is Warney Cresswell. After all, not every right-back can say they were called "The Prince of Full Backs" and that the price paid for their services was the world record fee. *I would add John Campbell as a central forward. He was the top scorer of the league 3 times and helped Sunderland win 3 championship titles. His understanding with his team-mates and his abilities made him one of the most important figures in the "Team of All Talents". In fact, he was probably the best central forward in the world until Steve Bloomer arrived.

South Shields Coalminer 2:36 pm, 1-May-2013

My Sunderland: Forwards: John Campbell - Bobby Gurney Midfielders: Arthur Bridgett - Hughie Wilson - Raich Carter - Charlie Buchan Defence: Robert McNeill - David Watson – Charlie Hurley – Warney Cresswell Goalie: Ned Doig Manager: Tom Watson

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