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The Queen's Dangerous Secret Power of Veto

by Nick Margerrison
21 January 2013 15 Comments

The suggestion that the UK’s Royal Family are nothing more than decoration has come crashing down as a court order forced the establishment to reveal how things really work behind the scenes...

“Power does what it wants. [...] Forget the politicians, they’re an irrelevancy [...] put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything.[...] they own this fucking place. It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in ‘the big club’”
 
- George Carlin

The absurd suggestion that the UK’s un-democratically selected Royal Family are nothing more than decoration has come crashing down as a court order forced the establishment to reveal how things really work behind the scenes. Despite Royalists constantly pushing the myth their monarch performs a ‘ceremonial role’, the truth is very different. Infact the approval of Her Majesty The Queen and His Royal Highness Prince Charles, has been required for at least 39 different bills suggested by elected members of Britain’s Houses of Parliament.

The Guardian reports:

The extent of the Queen and Prince Charles’s secretive power of veto over new laws has been exposed after Downing Street lost its battle to keep information about its application secret.

Whitehall papers prepared by Cabinet Office lawyers show that overall at least 39 bills have been subject to the most senior royals’ little-known power to consent to or block new laws.

FULL STORY FROM THE GUARDIAN HERE

There is a curious level of Orwellian doublethink in the UK when it comes to the Royal Family, I try to explain this further at the end of the article. Anti-monarchists often feel those who disagree with them are apparently hypnotised into ignoring the reality of their situation. I remember being dumb-struck by someone I was debating the issue with on a London radio station who, with apparent sincerity, announced that the Royals were “just a symbol, it doesn’t mean anything”. It was incredible to me then and it still is now: this person actually believed in, and was prepared to defend the concept of, a symbol that does not symbolise or mean anything.

The Telegraph reports:

Legal scholar John Kirkhope, who fought to access the papers following a freedom of information case, said the document revealed senior royals have “real influence and real power”.

“There has been an implication that these prerogative powers are quaint and sweet but actually there is real influence and real power, albeit unaccountable,” he said.

Andrew George, Liberal Democrat MP for St Ives, which includes land owned by the Duchy of Cornwall, said the findings showed the Royals “are playing an active role in the democratic process”.

He called for greater transparency in order to evaluate whether the powers were “appropriate.”

“This is opening the eyes of those who believe the Queen only has a ceremonial role,” he said.

“It shows the royals are playing an active role in the democratic process and we need greater transparency in parliament so we can be fully appraised of whether these powers of influence and veto are really appropriate. At any stage this issue could come up and surprise us and we could find parliament is less powerful than we thought it was.”

[My emphasis]

FULL STORY FROM THE TELEGRAPH HERE

Currently the UK Government is pursuing a policy of cutting back state welfare benefits. I suggest they start with those given to the monarchy through another rarely discussed, and constantly downplayed, aspect of the monarchy: the civil list.

The frustrating thing about this debate though (from the perspective of someone who believes the monarchy is an un-democratic, un-fair, outdated, bulls–t embarrassment) is the fact that vested interests in the world of both the media (who want a Knighthood or MBE) and politics (same problem) work furiously behind the scenes to keep the truth about the UK’s entirely unaccountable heads of state secret:

From Politics.co.uk

The revelation comes after parliamentary lawyers were forced to release a document the government had fought to keep secret in an unsuccessful freedom of information battle.

That it is even allowed to be freely reported to Her Majesty’s subjects is unusual.

Again from The Guardian:

The Cabinet Office fought against the publication of the 30-page internal guidance in a 15-month freedom of information dispute. It refused a request to release the papers from Kirkhope, a notary public who wanted to use them in his graduate studies at Plymouth University.

It was ordered to do so by the Information Commissioner. The Cabinet Office then appealed that decision in the Information Tribunal but lost.

An American friend of mine once asked: “but how do they get away with it?”

Currently my podcast and blog get more attention from America than they do Britain. Approximately 600 or so people will read this entry, most of them from the US where they have a vote to decide their head of state, who even once elected is pointedly referred to as MR President. If you’re a fellow Brit I’d be particularly interested in your explanation as to why you’re ok with having no say whatsoever in who represents you as Head Of State and why you think The Queen is better.

I suspect the key reasons are:

1. The power of association: “Queen and country”

The power of association is widely known in advertising. Brands which have no direct link to something positive can benefit from an association to something the consumer loves or respects. The easiest way to do this is by simple repetition. The alliterative mantra “Queen and Country” makes people believe there is something intrinsically patriotic about blindly supporting them, rather than daring to imagine a nation which stand on its own two feet and looks after itself.

2. The science of behaviourism, “Come on stop being such a stick in the mud lets have a party!”

Behaviourism suggests that if you do something, no matter what your conscious mind believes, subconsciously you will agree with the ideas the action suggests. For example, people who spend time smiling for no reason tend to feel happier. The recent Royal jubilee and Royal wedding celebrations are good examples of this in action on a nationwide scale. Despite a great number of people not affirming a belief in the idea of a hereditary monarchy there were still a large number of well attended state sponsored parties to celebrate the Royals. Lots of friends of mine went along despite not being monarchists. Nationwide, inevitably approval ratings soared, and continue to rise. On a smaller scale, more than ever before these days, my anti-monarchist sentiments are being challenged and debated by people who previously might have agreed.

3. The power of a promise, “I promise to serve Her Majesty The Queen”

All of the top members of the establishment in the UK, sitting members of Parliament, Judges, Magistrates, Police Officers, Clergy, and the military, have to swear allegiance to the monarch in order to do their duties. These oaths are common in other parts of the UK as well. In a sense this is an extension of behaviourism and the affirmation is a form of mild self hypnosis. Primates tend to copy the alpha males in their social groups, if you know your superior has sworn allegiance to the crown you’re likely to think it was for a good reason.

4. They have the power to patronise you with an MBE, OBE or simply their association: “I could make things good for you and your family”.

I remember once being in the office of a major media organisation, framed above the desk of the boss was a letter from a senior member of The Royal Family thanking them for their help with some charity work. Then and there it dawned on me why criticism of The Royals is so rare in the “mainstream media”.

5. The power of celebrity: “Oh, it’s not fair is it, those horrible paparazi”

To think that the Royals do not make arrangements with the press is as absurd as the now defunct notion that their role in law making is purely for fun and games. The level of access some photographers, even apparently rogue ones, get is staggering. This is one of the richest families in the world with one of the world’s biggest powers protecting them. Being famous celebrities brings a form of power that is easy to underestimate until you see it close up.

There must be other reasons, I look forward to reading the comments section.

If you are from the UK and you’ve gotten all the way down to the bottom of this article without screaming “traitor” you might like to consider following this link and re-tweeting a tweet of mine which reads: “RT if you agree “benefit cuts” should start with The Royal Family

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Mongbean 5:35 am, 21-Jan-2013

Interesting read but...what were the bills that required royal approval? I need more details!

Mr Stewart 11:04 am, 21-Jan-2013

I am British and I live in London. Now I will start my comment of with a questions "Who cares?!?" I mean really come on dude... Your making out that there is this massive conspiracy with the Royal family, that somehow they are like a Mafia family or something doing dodge deals behind closed doors and having people knocked off in the process. So maybe you are right, maybe that is exactly what is going on. However is England falling down? Are we all on the streets up in arms fighting and causing anarchy? No... so does it matter what they are doing? They must be doing something right, considering we have had one of the harshest economic downturns in recent history yet we are all still pretty happy in the UK (except for the weather.) Furthermore everyone says how important experience is, well the Queen has over 80 years (her whole born life) doing what she does, so she has a wealth of experience and I say good on her. I am not a massive fan of the Royal family and maybe they have this power behind close doors that stops things happening but until it effects they day to day lives of us Britons I doubt anyone will actually give a shit.

PETER BENEDICT 11:34 am, 21-Jan-2013

One of the most illiterate, paranoid rants I have ever seen on this site. There are intelligent arguments against the hereditary principle (eg. it leads to the appointment of Assad as Syrian President or GW Bush as US Preseident) but this "article" isn't one of them. It has never been suggested by any intelligent person that the monarch performs a purely ceremonial role. If this were the case, the PM wouldn't have a weekly audience during which he has an opportunity to draw on her 60 years of experience with his predecessors. If a genuine power of veto has been used, it is not strictly constitutional and unless we are given specific instances, we should assume either that it is either mere fantasy or that it has been employed in some minor matter directly affecting the personal life of the monarch. Regarding the democratic legitimacy of the present monarch : She enjoys the support of a greater percentage of the population than any elected Prime Minister (or US President) in the past century. Perhaps the author of this piece would like us to have referenda on other frivolous matters to consume funds better spent on the NHS or schools.

Mr Stewart 11:38 am, 21-Jan-2013

Peter Benedict, I tip my hat to you sir!

Roger 12:00 pm, 21-Jan-2013

@Mr Stewart, I think the writer's point is that we are led to believe were are in a democracy which generations have fought to preserve, yet the people at the very top are unelected and are making decisions which elected personnel cannot overrule. There is no suggestion that this is a conspiracy, however with "the establishment" so able to close ranks it is unlikely we will ever know and this is cause for concern in a "free country". I'm not particularly pro- or anti- monarchy, but the points raised regarding freedom of politicians to represent their electorate and freedom of the press are very valid. That said, with a Prime Minister who is the Queen's 4th cousin who used to have slumber parties with the editor of the nation's biggest selling newspaper, nobody should be surprised.

Mr Stewart 12:50 pm, 21-Jan-2013

Fair point Roger, maybe my choice of words was incorrect but I still stand by what I say which is "Who cares?" Because if anyone did surely by now some smart politics would have made a stance to get the royals' powers revoked but still to this day they have not. We leave in a 'free country,' a democracy but even if we got rid of the Royals', there will be other people who influence politics money who have no interest in the countries well-being and only in there own wants. At least the Queen has a want/need for the UK to do well, unlike some massive corporations for example. "Better the devil you know" and all that.

Max Bullitt 12:52 pm, 21-Jan-2013

After reading the Telegraph article and the list of bills that required consent, there is an interesting pattern. Queen - 20 bills, 18 of which under the last government. Prince Charles - 20 bills, 16 of which under the last government. So why did consent of the monarch suddenly become so important as Tony Blair's New Labour Party came to power?

Vuillard 1:33 pm, 21-Jan-2013

Far more worrying is the lack of transparency and the democratic defecit of Brussels.

Adam 6:25 pm, 21-Jan-2013

Many people fail to realise that every bill that passes through Parliament will eventually reach the Queen's desk for approval. It is termed "Royal Assent" and is required for every new act not just particular ones. In reality no member of the Monarchy has blocked a bill since 1707 and these newer bills have always been passed where Parliament felt them necessary. This is not a conspiracy it is just the way a constitutional monarchy works.

Cambridge Girl 1999 2:01 am, 23-Jan-2013

Interesting article but if no monarchy has blocked a bill since 1707 not sure of the relevance) thanks

Harry Paterson 4:09 pm, 26-Jan-2013

The Queen did turf out an elected government, though, Cambridge Girl. It doesn't get much more outrageous than that. And recently, not in 1707; Google Gough Whitlam...

Chris 6:28 pm, 28-Jan-2013

Heads on a pike. Nothing less than heads on a pike will suffice. Traditions are the enemy of progress. Tear it down and start again.

Ade 6:19 pm, 26-Dec-2013

And yet Brussels makes 80% of our laws, is this the EU peddling these articles.

Dave 9:44 am, 23-Jan-2014

@harry p That would be the time the Queen, then working under the name govenor general John Kerr, dissolved the Aussie govt in the 70's ? Note the difference there - The Queen, GG John Kerr. Mostly different letters, two different people. Kinda indicates that it wasnt the Queen, I'm sure you'll disagree. Meh. To be honest, i thought technically the sitting monarch had the power to block any and all acts from becoming law, by not providing royal assent. Could be wrong, ianal. So, has Madge ACTUALLY veto'd anything ? Rule 32 applies.

Den Bogus 9:05 pm, 24-Jan-2014

Fuck all Monarchies!

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